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to be annoyed that women who give birth naturally without pain relief are always told they "did really well"?

169 replies

Fishandjam · 07/12/2011 13:30

In brief, this is my gripe. I was induced as an emergency at 38 weeks due to sudden, severe pre-eclamptic liver failure. As you might expect, a fully interventionist birth followed - straight to large doses of drip syntocinon (no messing about with pessaries ? time was of the essence), not allowed to get up from the bed (due to monitoring), unbearable contractions, epidural, episiotomy, forceps. My baby, however, was fine, as was I (eventually).

There was nothing whatever I could have done about the way the birth went. I was exhausted from the liver failure (anyone who has had that will know just how depleted of energy you get). I couldn?t have an active labour due to the need for monitoring, and lying flat on your back makes for very painful contractions ? and the medical staff were only too happy for me to have an epidural, as they weren?t at all sure I?d have the strength to actually birth the baby without a C-section. Forceps were always going to be necessary, due to lying on my back and therefore effectively having to push the baby uphill. But I ? we ? coped, and all was well in the end.

So why do women who are lucky enough to have a normal, active labour, without pain relief other than G&A, and no interventions, get told that they ?did really well?, when people like me are not? I heard so much of it on the post-natal ward, from the midwives themselves as well as family/friends of other newly delivered mothers. Given my circumstances, didn?t I do well too? And why not for emergency C-sections also, where the woman has to go through the trauma of unexpected major surgery?

It just seems to reinforce the idea that childbirth is a competitive display of physical prowess, and that those of us who need medical help to give birth safely have somehow failed. When to me, it seems to be the luck of the draw.

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Fishandjam · 07/12/2011 13:31

Gah - sorry about the formatting issues - cutting and pasting from Word obviously sub-optimal!

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BertieBotts · 07/12/2011 13:31

I think everyone who gives birth/c-section, induced, pain relief whatever did really well. It's a traumatic and exhausting ordeal!

WorraLiberty · 07/12/2011 13:32

I can see where you're coming from but praising one mother, is not taking anything away from another mother.

All births are different and we all do well to get through them in one piece!

DamnBamboo · 07/12/2011 13:35

I don't think anybody would think you failed given your circumstances.
Presumably, for those that need it, the medical help is there as it should be and they use it, as is required.

I don't really see your issue.

If you're lucky enough to be able to cope with the pain with minimal pain relief, then good on you.

Doesn't make you better or worse, not sure anybody thinks it does.

YAB a tiny bit U

choceyes · 07/12/2011 13:35

YANBU.

Even though I have been guilty in the past of saying "oh that's good!" when somebody has said they'd had a drug free labour.
Even though I myself has had 2 c-sections and never given birth naturally!

DamnBamboo · 07/12/2011 13:36

Personally, I don't give a fig what other pain relief other people use or how easy/hard their birth is. It' s none of mine, or anybody elses business.

Lizcat · 07/12/2011 13:36

You are alive, Your baby is alive - well done how you got there is irrelevant.

mumwithdice · 07/12/2011 13:36

You did extremely well, OP and someone ought to have told you that. That said, I also agree with WorraLiberty.

NinkyNonker · 07/12/2011 13:37

I had a Jekyll and Hyde labour that ended with every drug under the sun for various reasons. I still think every woman does well though, but what people who make that type of comment tend to forget is that everyone has different pain thresholds. One friend claims her labour didn't hurt...does this still mean she did better than the woman who railed against an excrutiating back to back labour for hours and hours and eventually gave in to a jab?

lljkk · 07/12/2011 13:38

I hear "you did really well" as a comment on the woman's incredibly good fortune, not a compliment on anything they actively achieved (although I imagine it often also takes strong nerves to take advantage of the luck, in many cases).

WorraLiberty · 07/12/2011 13:38

But drug free labours are good

However that's not to say other labours aren't good also

I could understand the OP's point if say a Midwife had shouted across her bed to the woman next to her "Well done that Mum! You did so much better than the woman next to you because your birth was natural and hers wasn't"

But obviously that's not the case is it?

Emsmaman · 07/12/2011 13:40

Sorry to hear about your traumatic birth. IME the praise was only during the birth, no-one kept banging on about it afterwards and barely anybody asked whether I had pain relief or not. I understand why the midwives kept telling me I was doing a great job as they were trying to stop me from having an epidural (and thus going against my naive birth plan). I believe they had two motivations: it was a very busy night so would have been hard to find an anaesthetist, and they were trying to keep me on my birth plan. However due to complications I had to be given an epidural after 14 hours of labour and it was bliss : ). It's certainly not a competition but I would say that someone who had an epidural early on in a normal complication free labour could not understand the hellish pain of 14 hours of labour with 2 hours of pushing on nothing more than paracetamol (gas and air did nothing for me!). I do think anyone who has given birth whichever way deserves a big "well done!"

Fishandjam · 07/12/2011 13:40

OP here. I have to say that I don't really give the tiniest atom of shite what people think about my labour - I was fine and DS was fine, and that's all that matters. But I do have some good friends who had interventionist births and they were very upset that they had failed to give birth "properly". (We'd all done the NCT course, and had had it spelled out to us in no uncertain terms that interventions - and the cascade thereof - were the work of Satan.)

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DartsAgain · 07/12/2011 13:40

First dc born by ELCS due to developing pre-eclampsia, at 38 weeks also (you have my sympathies there, op).

2nd dc born naturally, no pain relief. No, I didn't do "really well", I just did the job. If mother and baby are well at the end of the process, regardless of mode of birth, that a job done "really well".

I'm with the OP here, it shouldn't be competitive at all. Sadly some people can only function by being competitive.....

Iggly · 07/12/2011 13:41

YABU

It's not a comment on your labour, it's a comment on theirs.

grumplestilskin · 07/12/2011 13:41

yes you did well, congratuating other women on how well they did with their individual birth doesn't take from yours in any way though.

I had an EMC, I did very well IMO (and was well congratulated), I often tell new mums they did well regardless of whether they had a natural birth or not.

Sounds like you are projecting your trauma on innocent and pleasant exchanges between others, have you had any post natal counciling?

MamaMaiasaura · 07/12/2011 13:43

I felt fucking unlucky as g&a was held to ransom as told I wasn't in labour. Pretty much forced to have pethidine. Left in room with zero monitoring (should have been on monitor) and no midwife. Pethidine did nothing except make me sick. Less than 2 hours later (on own with dh and no midwife at all) they finally came in, checked me and saw I was 9cm. When I got to labour ward I was already pushing and she arrived in 9 min. Has and air was run out, next one faulty and third one pretty much too late. I would have loved g&a and opportunity to manage pain better.

Fishandjam · 07/12/2011 13:44

Do you know grumplestiltskin, I don't feel I was traumatised by my birth experience! (Maybe I'm wrong...) It's just that I must have heard this kind of comment, ooh, around 6 times a day for the whole week I was on the post-natal ward. By the end, and having seen a young mum in the bed next to me in tears because she'd had to have a C-section, I was getting a little cross with it.

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DamnBamboo · 07/12/2011 13:44

But fish surely that's their problem?

If nobody has said, "you're shite, you can't even give birth properly" then I would understand.

That's very over the top to say all interventions are the work of the devil, perhaps you should be airing your grief with the course organiser or the NCT themselves.

ginmakesitallok · 07/12/2011 13:44

"You did well" is such a strange thing to say to any woman who has given birth Confused I mean, would anyone really think "she did really badly"????? I gave birth using gas and air both times - I didn't "do well" I didn't really do anything, my body took over and did what it had to do - I had little choice in the matter!

LePruneDeMaTante · 07/12/2011 13:45

It's one of those stupid things that people say without thinking.
They mean that bearing the pain without pain relief is a challenge (it is, but it doesn't mean that other ways of giving birth aren't a challenge). They don't think of it is an 'exclusive' statement.

There are at least 200 stupid things that people will say to parents and make some of them feel like shit. "Are you having any more?" "Well done for breastfeeding so far" "It's like we're a proper family now we've got two children" "Well you just have to look at the parents..." it goes on and on!

grumplestilskin · 07/12/2011 13:47

you do seem disproportionately angry about the subject though

I had a good birth and I had an emergencyCS so I'm not assuming CS = horrible birth experience, I'm basing it soley on your anger AROUND the subject on this thread

MamaMaiasaura · 07/12/2011 13:47

And op YABU, sorry. 1st baby emerg sect, 2nd vbac with epidural and episiotomony both boys were op. 3rd vbac with nothing. I felt shit about 3rd birth as I felt unsupported by midwives and that they put me and dd at risk

PeppaPigHostage · 07/12/2011 13:48

I know what you mean OP, I was one of the lucky ones and had two, straight forward births with only gas and air. Don't get me wrong, it hurt like hell and I was terrified the first time but I think it went as well as any birth could.
I was told by many at the baby group I go to how well I did, which I didn't give any thought to until I realised that my good friend was upset because she felt like someone congratulating me on a job well done was the flip side of saying her awful, traumatic intervention-a-plenty birth was a failure.

Later when we spoke I tried to explain that she did much, much better than I did. She had to cope with almost certainly more pain, more fear and less control as the medical staff took over. Also my births were over quickly (too quickly actually, my poor, poor bits...) she had to sustain that level of stress and pain for 2 days.

I think she deserves a bloody medal.

Anyway, having never given it any thought before, after that, I have never commented on how 'well' a birth went.

callmemrs · 07/12/2011 13:50

I don't understand why you seem to want to detract from women who manage to give birth without pain relief. Giving birth hurts- so yes, they have done well. It's no reflection on your birth op

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