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to be annoyed that women who give birth naturally without pain relief are always told they "did really well"?

169 replies

Fishandjam · 07/12/2011 13:30

In brief, this is my gripe. I was induced as an emergency at 38 weeks due to sudden, severe pre-eclamptic liver failure. As you might expect, a fully interventionist birth followed - straight to large doses of drip syntocinon (no messing about with pessaries ? time was of the essence), not allowed to get up from the bed (due to monitoring), unbearable contractions, epidural, episiotomy, forceps. My baby, however, was fine, as was I (eventually).

There was nothing whatever I could have done about the way the birth went. I was exhausted from the liver failure (anyone who has had that will know just how depleted of energy you get). I couldn?t have an active labour due to the need for monitoring, and lying flat on your back makes for very painful contractions ? and the medical staff were only too happy for me to have an epidural, as they weren?t at all sure I?d have the strength to actually birth the baby without a C-section. Forceps were always going to be necessary, due to lying on my back and therefore effectively having to push the baby uphill. But I ? we ? coped, and all was well in the end.

So why do women who are lucky enough to have a normal, active labour, without pain relief other than G&A, and no interventions, get told that they ?did really well?, when people like me are not? I heard so much of it on the post-natal ward, from the midwives themselves as well as family/friends of other newly delivered mothers. Given my circumstances, didn?t I do well too? And why not for emergency C-sections also, where the woman has to go through the trauma of unexpected major surgery?

It just seems to reinforce the idea that childbirth is a competitive display of physical prowess, and that those of us who need medical help to give birth safely have somehow failed. When to me, it seems to be the luck of the draw.

OP posts:
WhereMyMilk · 07/12/2011 14:24

I had 2 crash sections, followed by an elective. Feel I did do very well, as all DC happy and healthy, and me too.

However, a not so dear friend of mine asked if I felt less of a woman and mother because I didn't give birth the "proper" way. WTAF? Hmm

vixsatis · 07/12/2011 14:31

Inclined to agree. I don't really understand the concept of "doing well" at giving birth or being proud of oneself for having done so, either with or without the drugs. Labour and birth will happen nine months after conception like night follows day, unless something goes wrong. Things not going wrong is not an accomplishment of the mother. Labour is not really something one does; it is something which happens to one. I don't even see why extra points are awarded for having opted not to have pain relief, what is the point?

Congratulations on having survived and on having a baby would seem more appropriate

slavetofilofax · 07/12/2011 14:31

I agree that everyone who gives birth does well, although I would say that someone who has no pain relief does better than someone who has an elective CS when there is no medical need.

Controversial opinion I know.

But other women being told they have done well does not take away from anyone else. It is hard for most women going through labour with no pain relief. It is not nice to feel your fanjo tearing because they have taken the gas and air away from you so you can push.

I get just as annoyed at people thinking that because you had no medical intervention that it was easy. I got lots of people telling me how lucky I was that I could cope without an epidural. I was induced and it hurt like hell, I wasn't lucky, I was just determined, and by the time I felt I could cope no more I was refused pain relief because it was too late.

Women should just back off completely from commenting on other peoples birth experiences, it is not a competition.

nativitywreck · 07/12/2011 14:32

My birth was natural...until complications ended in epidural, episiotomy and the OB dragging him out with forceps!
She was fab, and afterward she said "well done, you did brilliantly" at which I said "Oh, no, I didn't!"
and she said "Well, I have never had children, and I couldn't have coped with what you did so well. And your baby is beautiful."
I still love her!

tilder · 07/12/2011 14:33

Sorry that you had a traumatic birth experience.

I do seem to remember during labour both timesI was told I was doing really well, more as encouragement I think than anything else. Mostly a reflection on how my body/biology works than me personally. I also overheard a midwife after saying that I did really well. Still not really sure what that meant, other than mother/baby both well, but I do get the point that the implication could be there that not everyone is considered to do really well.

CarrieInAnotherTWOBabiTWINS · 07/12/2011 14:35

Yanbu its really odd.

I do know several smug people that have had v lucky births but think its all down to the way they did things ....

I always say wow you were lucky then

DaisySteiner · 07/12/2011 14:36

I view comments about doing really well in the same as congratulating someone who has completed a marathon of the running variety - it's an acheivement worthy of note, can take a lot of stamina and determination and is something to feel proud of.

In no way does that mean that those of us who choose to use the car (or public transport Wink) to travel 26 miles or are unable to run that far, are lesser human beings Grin

kalo12 · 07/12/2011 14:40

my friend had 2 c sections and said she feels sad and disappointed to have not experienced the ppushing etc. i can understand her feelings. it must be quite difficult. it can sound competitive true, but its not. i didn't have much pain relief but thats because it wasn't mega mega painful, thats not because i'm super tough its because the baby was in a certain place.

Xmasbaby11 · 07/12/2011 14:42

I agree with you, OP. Many births are difficult, stressful and painful even with lots of intervention, and this is luck rather than anything else.

Pagwatch · 07/12/2011 14:44

JaneBirkin

Do you get the 'oh you lucky thing' too?

I get that. If I were not so very nice I would be quite rude sometimes.

monkeyLFDTwench · 07/12/2011 14:46

Daisy that's so funny, first marathon I did I remember thinking (I would say at the point of no return, about 17 miles) "shiiiiiiiit, what was I thinking of?!" Remarkably similar to giving birth actually when I had pretty similar thoughts - I think it's something all men should be forced to do before being allowed to comment Grin.

And yet somehow you end up agreeing to put yourself through it all again Hmm.

Hardgoing · 07/12/2011 14:46

G & A is pain relief, but it rather takes the edge off than really removing the pain, tbh.

Birth is an endurance, no two ways about it, anyone that gives birth is amazing.

I do admire people who choose different methods of pain relief, though, like hypnobirthing or not using G and A on principle. I didn't, and I don't rate my births as 'worse' but there can be something to admire about some people's endurance, it's like having surgery whilst hypnotized, I would never do it but I don't feel inadequate about that.

After all, compared with many women in developing countries who have no access to pain relief of any form, or any maternity services that can spot pre-eclampsia or control haemorrage, all our births are 'better' in comparison (although they absolutely don't feel it).

monkeyLFDTwench · 07/12/2011 14:48

Pagwatch I agree it must be infuriating, I have a friend who likes to wail "I was in labour for three days, you have no idea how I suffered!" whenever she hears of a quick birth. Not very popular with other friends who had quick but very intense births.

monkeyLFDTwench · 07/12/2011 14:49

I think G and A is like being a leetle bit pissed and stubbing your toe, to be honest - the pain is still there and still the same, you're just that bit too pissed to care Smile.

schroeder · 07/12/2011 14:51

There are some problems I think in the language that is used around childbirth.

Women are told that they are doing well and of course they are, but this isn't a scoring system, the midwife is just supporting the birthing mother. It does not mean they are doing any better than anyone else.

I had a emc after a long labour and was told I was brave, I mean what option did I have, I was not brave. I suppose though it is a positive thing to say to someone to try and keep their spirits up, which is important I think.

You did brilliant by the sounds of it. Smile

Pagwatch · 07/12/2011 14:51

Oh gawd monkey, she must be annoying.

Comparing births is daft isn't it? Unless you actually regard your birth as easy, we each have different challenges none of which are comparable.

maraisfrance · 07/12/2011 14:53

Don't do NCT! avoid it !! everyone I've ever known who has 'done' NCT comes out with very high expectations of their 'birth plan' which is going to put them 'in charge of the process' and 'empower them' and, guess what, it ain't like that!

congratulations on your lovely baby, OP, hope you're feeling great now.

tigitigi · 07/12/2011 14:57

well I remember being told by a sarcastic midwife (who tried to convince me to refuse a crash c section because I could do it naturally) that I should not feel like I failed. Water from a ducks back to me but I can imagine others being really upset. I think I just said something along the lines of 'well why would I feel like a failure with my beautiful, living, breathing, healthy baby'' then DH kicked her out.

thefurryone · 07/12/2011 14:59

Fair enough Fish, I just wondered as I sometimes think a lot of the stuff we beat ourselves up about comes from within rather than others expectations. I was also induced for medical reasons though nowhere near as serious as yourself, and despite it not being ideal it just was was it was and the outcome was the best it could be. All women do their best in childbirth, but like everything else in life we all have different versions of what is best.

CarrieInAnotherTWOBabiTWINS · 07/12/2011 15:00

I agree it def seems to be a British thing .

samstown · 07/12/2011 15:01

YAB a litte bit U. I had a long old labour and (despite only really wanting G&A in birth plan, yeah right!) in the end had every pain relief going and ended up with forceps in theatre as DS was well and truly stuck! My mum, an ex-midwife, kept going on for days about how well I had done and I thought 'yeah I did'!

Having said that, and having experienced child birth, I would say that anyone who went through it with no pain relief at all also did bloody amazingly well!

whackamole · 07/12/2011 15:02

YABU.

Anyone that gives birth does so 'really well'. I had one birth when I was induced, epidural etc, and one with gas and air, shot of morphine and that was it. I consider myself to have done exceptionally well in each instance! Grin

I was also told how amazingly I did by the midwives at each birth, and would have expected nothing less.

schroeder · 07/12/2011 15:03

Yep the clue is in the name-they have an agenda.

As if we all wouldn't have preferred to give birth quickly and simply with just a bit of gas and air, I wish Hmm.

I tried everything I could to have a VBAC, I read every book going, I refused monitoring and epidurals, I walked around and bounced on balls and still ended up with another emc, because I am small and my dc were both big and I would have died and so would my babies without intervention.

So meh

monkeyLFDTwench · 07/12/2011 15:04

People do mean well generally though, don't they?

I was very upset after I had ds1 and his stillborn twin, the midwives kept telling me how well I'd coped, and to me it felt like they were congratulating me for being outwardly calm, while failing to see it was just shock and numbness - it didn't mean I wasn't dying inside. I felt quite bitter as if they were saying "well done for not making a fuss", like me screaming or crying would have made their job harder.

But a few years down the line I've mellowed and I can see they actually didn't know what to say, and came out with the best they could in pretty dreadful circumstances.

addictediam · 07/12/2011 15:06

I had to be given antibiotics during labour, am allergic to gas and air, pethidine and other drugs so had an epidural, was induced and had a 'quick' labour that lasted 8.5 hours (from the time i was induced) had a 2nd degree tear, pulled muscles in my chest I didn't know I had! I had a panic attack and ended up crying hysterically thinking i just couldn't do it.

I could have kissed my mw when she said 'you've done really well' after i gave birth

And i agree with the nct thing, they tend to build you up with unrealistic expectations that are most of the time smashed when something unexpected happens.