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to be annoyed that women who give birth naturally without pain relief are always told they "did really well"?

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Fishandjam · 07/12/2011 13:30

In brief, this is my gripe. I was induced as an emergency at 38 weeks due to sudden, severe pre-eclamptic liver failure. As you might expect, a fully interventionist birth followed - straight to large doses of drip syntocinon (no messing about with pessaries ? time was of the essence), not allowed to get up from the bed (due to monitoring), unbearable contractions, epidural, episiotomy, forceps. My baby, however, was fine, as was I (eventually).

There was nothing whatever I could have done about the way the birth went. I was exhausted from the liver failure (anyone who has had that will know just how depleted of energy you get). I couldn?t have an active labour due to the need for monitoring, and lying flat on your back makes for very painful contractions ? and the medical staff were only too happy for me to have an epidural, as they weren?t at all sure I?d have the strength to actually birth the baby without a C-section. Forceps were always going to be necessary, due to lying on my back and therefore effectively having to push the baby uphill. But I ? we ? coped, and all was well in the end.

So why do women who are lucky enough to have a normal, active labour, without pain relief other than G&A, and no interventions, get told that they ?did really well?, when people like me are not? I heard so much of it on the post-natal ward, from the midwives themselves as well as family/friends of other newly delivered mothers. Given my circumstances, didn?t I do well too? And why not for emergency C-sections also, where the woman has to go through the trauma of unexpected major surgery?

It just seems to reinforce the idea that childbirth is a competitive display of physical prowess, and that those of us who need medical help to give birth safely have somehow failed. When to me, it seems to be the luck of the draw.

OP posts:
spiderpig8 · 07/12/2011 15:07

It's just a throw away comment , something to say.if anything at all more a comment on good fortune.Certainly not meant to detract from those requiring intervention pain relief etc.

Traceymac2 · 07/12/2011 15:22

I think that women who manage to give birth without pain relief have done well. We all do well, (there isn't much choice though once things get going!) iwouldn't be able to cope with the pain though so i do admire them for that.
I have had two babies and two epidurals. Both times had PE and the first was given a spinal anaesthetic too to prep for CS but luckily baby tolerated labour so had normal birth. The second time baby came at 36 wks and I was too frightened not to have an epidural, didn't think I would be able to manage without it. It as you know too helps lower the bp in labour so good for PE. I still wish I could have done without, my dd's were both in scbu too so i couldn't see them for hours after because I couldn't move. We all have to cope with our own individual circumstances during pregnancy and in labour and sometimes you just have to go with what the team are telling you is the best course of action. The most important thing is that both the mother and baby are ok, the rest doesn't really matter.

Fishandjam · 07/12/2011 15:26

whackamole (great UN BTW), I guess you haven't had the chance to scroll through all the threads, but I've already agreed with you - all those who give birth do really well!

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Fishandjam · 07/12/2011 15:28

addictediam, I didn't know that 8.5 hours was quick? I think I was around 8 hours from the time I went on the drip. (My sense of time was totally fecked though - in my memory it's around 2, maybe 3 hours!)

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SenseofEntitlement · 07/12/2011 15:36

I agree. Different births have different levels of pain for all kinds of reasons. So if one woman can cope with the pain, another might be in much more pain. It is not a case of being better or worse at coping.

Also, bloody midwives thinking that I would somehow regret having pain relief (really? Regret pain relief? What planet are these people on?) still really really annoy me now, just thinking about it. What right do they have to deny an adult access to the pain relief that is medically allowed through their own dubious theories?

Rugbylovingmum · 07/12/2011 15:41

OP - I sort of know where you are coming from. Not from the midwives or hospital staff (who were fantastic and very positive) but from other organisations/people with an agenda. I had 2 very clear examples of this:

  1. From the dreaded NCT - we had a terrible course leader and I complained about her several times after the course. She was very clear that a 'successful labour' meant no drugs or surgery and would preferably happen at home or in a midwife-led unit. She gave crappy info about pain relief and even warned us that if we had pethidine our babies would be born addicted to opiates i.e. heroin addicts Shock.
  1. I also attended a maternity yoga class and each week one of the past class members came in to talk about their birth experience. I got in touch when DD was born and said that I'd be happy to come in and talk about my induction and c-section as it went very well and I had recovered very quickly. I was told "no thanks, we only want to talk about successful labours" Hmm. I was a bit irritated as hearing more about c-sections while I was pregnant would have made me less nervous but it's not worth worrying about.

To be honest though anyone who thinks that you didn't do as well just because you had drugs/surgery is a complete idiot and it's better just to ignore them! It does annoy me though when antenatal classes/groups encourage natural drug-free births to the point that they don't give any real information about pain relief/inductions/c-sections etc. Many women will end up having these so better to be informed.

Rugbylovingmum · 07/12/2011 15:45

Just to say I made a great set of friends through NCT so it was well worth sticking my fingers in my ears and singing lalalalalala for a couple of days Wink.

OhDoAdmitMrsDeVere · 07/12/2011 15:47

The only real reason I had gas and air and not epidural was because I was too terrified to go into hospital to have DCs 4 & 5.

So did I do well? Or was I a bit of wuss who took the lesser of two evils?

Silly isnt it?

Mishy1234 · 07/12/2011 15:52

I can understand how you feel OP. Circumstances meant that you were going to have a hard time and there really wasn't anything you could do.

I was induced at 37wks due to OC and can only liken the contractions to being run over. 0-60 in seconds. A forceps delivery followed which wasn't pleasant.
However, I was just elated we'd both come out of it ok. It was only when the GP described by birth as "grotty" I got pissed off. How could use that word to describe someone's birth experience!

I think anyone who has given birth has done brilliantly, no matter how it happened, pain relief or not.

hardboiledpossum · 07/12/2011 15:53

The praise from the midwifes and my partner when I was giving birth did help me to keep going without an epidural. And when I was praised after it did make me feel a bit better because I felt so bloody awful. I was also induced (at 36 weeks) and had to be monitored lying down so I did feel a bit proud of myself for not having an epidural as I had hoped that I wouldn't have one. I would also have felt proud of myself though if I had had to have an epi, because I still gave birth and that is still amazing in it's self.

OrmIrian · 07/12/2011 15:54

Don't get annoyed about it. It's meant to make other women feel good, not you feel bad.

fuzzynavel · 07/12/2011 15:55

Anyone gives birth no matter whichever way has done very "damn" well in my opinion!

hazeyjane · 07/12/2011 15:57

I get more annoyed that people seem to assume that elective caesareans are guaranteed easy peasy, trauma free.

" I would say that someone who has no pain relief does better than someone who has an elective CS when there is no medical need." for example

My elcs was the worst of my 3 births and certainly moving forward from it seems more of an achievement than 3 day labour with gas and air, or superfast full on contractions from being induced.

thebody · 07/12/2011 16:06

we are womwn and as such put all the shite onto ourselves. Could you inagine size zero being a desirable image for a bloke, like fuck.

have 4 kids, all very different births, one so easy had worse period pains and one with all the intervention of forceps etc.

its not a bloody contest, it happens and there isnt anything you can do to ensure a 'smooth pain free natural birth' thats if you even want one of them of course.

i blame the n.c.t for a lot of this pressure as they con women into thinking they can 'control; their birth, you cant.

its not a contest and noone does well or badly here, you just give birth and thats that.

same old shite about breast feeding imo its not clever or noble its a choice a woman makes and then shes lucky if it happens easily.

thefurryone · 07/12/2011 16:07

Mishy I know what you mean about other people describing your birth negatively. I was genuinely surprised that other people thought my experience was a bad one. It wasn't the waterbirth I'd hoped for, but it only was only 7 hours of my life and the G&A meant I found the first 4 pretty funny, the harder drugs mean I can barely remember the rest, and a successful ventouse meant I avoided an EMCS. All in all not a bad night's work.

Oggy · 07/12/2011 16:09

Have to say OP, my experience has been the exact oppositte of yours. My many friends that had complicated emergency C sections, nasty inductions, long drawn out affirs with ventouse, forceps, lots of drugs etc have all had heaps of "well done"s for what they have got through. My couple of hours on G&A is (quite rightly) generally dismissed as straightforward and not as worthy of the fuss, and I agree with this.

I can't believe my friendship group is the only one that has reacted in this way re labour, I suspect you may be over-generalising something that was your snapshot of personal experience onto the entire population.

Some people do react as you have experienced, some react as I have experienced. And as others have said, comments made on someone else's birth don't really reflect at all on yours anyway.

Sirzy · 07/12/2011 16:14

I think any woman who goes through childbirth deserves a well done!

My midwives where great at giving the praise needed to keep me going!

BourbonSprouts · 07/12/2011 16:14

I suppose it's similar to how some women go ON and ON about the benefits of breastfeeding and there you are with your bottle of formula milk being made to feel as though you don't make the grade.
I've given up giving a toss.

WibblyBibble · 07/12/2011 16:25

OP, I think YANBU as you seem to be talking about the attitude of midwives, and there is definitely a trend amongst them towards treating 'natural' births as better, and even trying to 'punish' women who have more difficult births e.g. by saying 'oh well you chose to have an epidural so we can tell you what to do now', 'I see you didn't keep to your birth plan' etc etc (I have heard/overheard all of these and more while in hospital- also bitchiness towards women who were having trouble starting breast-feeding, which is disgusting really). I think really they do need better education although some are lovely and non-judgemental- in fact all of them need to either learn to be non-judgemental or get out of a profession where they're dealing with vulnerable people. I don't really care if 'lay people' congratulate someone as they're probably just trying to be friendly, but with midwives they need to sort it out and stop trying to punish women for not doing what they idealise, regardless of the circumstances.

DartsAgain · 07/12/2011 16:48

"slavetofilofax Wed 07-Dec-11 14:31:51
I agree that everyone who gives birth does well, although I would say that someone who has no pain relief does better than someone who has an elective CS when there is no medical need."

I have never come across a woman who has had an elective when there's no medical need.

I had an elective first time and a vaginal birth without pain relief second time around. Both were painful, both had their issues. But, I was only concerned that baby and me were okay at the end of the process. Neither birth was better than the other.

callmemrs · 07/12/2011 17:02

I think the problem is that sometimes, women who've had really bad birth experiences with a lot of interventions, assume that women who go without drugs must have had really easy labours and far less pain, which I don't think necessarily follows at all. Some women have very strong views about not accepting invasive pain relief, and some decide to deliver at home or in midwife units where epidurals aren't available. It would be very strange to then make the assumption that all those women just 'happen' to have less painful births.

It's not a contest- but that cuts both ways. If you don't like feeling that you are maybe being judged for having had a very high tech birth with loads of pain relief , then the last thing you should be doing is judging other women and deciding they must have had an easy time of it with no drugs

mrsscoob · 07/12/2011 17:07

YANBU if you want people to tell you that you did well however YABU to suggest that other women shouldn't be praised if they have a drug free labour. I was in labour for nearly two days and didn't have any pain relief, it was bloody hard work so I feel that I am entitled to feel a little proud!

callmemrs · 07/12/2011 17:25

Yes mrscoob- you explain what I was trying to say much better!
I would be a bit annoyed if anyone tried to suggest my first birth cant have been that bad, simply on the basis that I did I on a few whiffs of gas and air. Actually it was pretty long, hurt like buggery and I thought I was splitting in two when the baby crowned. I was against the idea of certain pain relief, and was happy with my birth but I defy anyone to tell me it must have been easy

Dirtydishesmakemesad · 07/12/2011 18:05

I have never been told i did well i have been told many times i was lucky (and i was - preeclampsia three times but induction ending in straightforward deliveries) i dont really see labour as something you can really do badly at i dint think most other people do its just a silly phrase to make conversation most of the time.

DeWe · 07/12/2011 18:34

With dd1 I got told frequently how well I'd done. 30 hour labour, with epidural and episiotomy.
With dd2 and ds I had G&A only for much shorter labours and I don't think anyone said that I'd done well.

I think you're maybe feeling a little sensitive about it.

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