neuro where have I said that the Mail is not bigoted and nasty? It clearly is but it has some merits. I respect the views of some of its political and economic commentators although I may or or may not agree with them.
But you have to recognise that there is political bias everywhere and as a left-leaning person what I really dislike is the idea in the Left is that you do to people because they can't work it out for themselves, poor things.
One of my favourite quotes is this, from C. S. Lewis. I doubt if I'd agree with many of his other political, social or moral views, but for me. he's spot-on here.
'Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.'
That's what I despise about the main editoral stance of the Guardian and the Independent and that's what what people who in shorthand are described as 'bien pensants' fail to understand about ordinary people.
BTW what is the all the 'if for some reason you must know'? It's not a trick question. I'm just asking so I can better understand your point of view and political education.
That's the way I've been taught to reach understanding even with people with whom I might disagree.
And as I've said before, there are merits to the Sun. Particularly its excellent TV critic Ally Ross. I don't read the sports section so I'll take your word for it.