to ask why the Sun and the Mail newspaper are so hated on here?

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I have name changed for this as i am a regular MNer and i know i really ought to know this but i don't

i read the Sun every most days, i like the vacuous celeb gossip and their easy to understand way of writing (again - ) and the womens section, and the problem pages

what's so bad about it?

Nothing inherently bad about it, but they're tosh. Mail is pretty awful, doesn't do much for community cohesion!

They are to journalism what the X-Factor is to music: not real, made-up and manipulative.

What???

Because they are deeply unpleasant havens of racism and misogyny?

I like the sun.

Oh, and Hillsborough. Haven't forgiven the Sun for that still.

I thought this was a joke.

Dear me, OP, read a more intelligent paper. Please.

The Sun is written by well-educated people but dumbed-down to a level they think the plebs can manage, and therefore it's patronising. The way they get their stories is revolting. The Mail has a tendency for baseless scare-mongering and villification of minority groups, including women.

Baubles has it! They are divisive and sensationalist. Vacuous, misogynistic and racist. If you are a woman (mother or without children; married, single or co-habiting; working, unemployed, WOHM or SAHM; overweight, average or underweight; attractive, plain or ugly; educated, intelligent or thick), not white or white but not British then all the ills of the world can be directly traced back to your door. Fact. According to the DM.

'Celeb gossip' is meaningless tat. Uneducated people with ill considered opinions who find themselves in a position where an authority is attached to their voice and then spouted as fact into the world.

They are awful. My mum has started reading the DM. I only found out a few weeks ago and certainly explains some of the less attractive observations/facts/opinions she's expressed over recent months.

I hate the Sun and Mail, for their badly written inflammatory style.
But I will never ever read the Sun, since Hillsborough, on top of that.

Page 3. Need I say more?

Both papers are deeply mysognistic. Page 3 alone contributes to society's view that women's breasts are purely there for male sexual pleasure. Is it any wonder that women breasfeeding in public are though of as disgusting when these papers contribute to the view that breasts are sexual objects? Using them for something other than that makes many people deeply uncomfortable. Tits out for the boys = good. tits out for the babys = deeply disgusting

Oh dear - where to begin.

Well how about here - kill-or-cure.heroku.com/ - Daily Mail?s ongoing effort to classify every inanimate object into those that cause cancer and those that prevent it.

The Sun = Patronising twaddle

The Mail = barely hidden agenda to every story.

My view of the DM has been lightened a little recently by their support for Gary McKinnon though.

Like BOF, I shun the Sun because of Hillsborough, even though their footy coverage is good/extensive.

But if someone doesn't know why the Sun should be shunned in general, I bet they don't know what 'Hillsborough' means, in particular.

The Sun printed disgusting lies about the actions of Liverpool fans towards the dead after the fatal crush at the Hillsborough stadium in 1989.

I think the Daily Mail are truly masterful at the art of winding people up. They'll have an article, say for example about someone spending £15k on Christmas decorations and describe them as "Sue, 52, unemployed" then sit back and watch people go mental in the comments about her abusing her benefits.

I read the DM online mainly for the comments on the articles.

OP I reckon you are a journo for the Sun. Go Away.

What a ridiculous reason to name change

I like the DM My MIL buys it each day then passes it on to me to line my chicken coop with

What a ridiculous reason to name change

After some of the above comments, can you not see why I namechanged? :o

Whilst I can appreciate a Sun pun headline, the paper itself is lowest common denominator shite. The Mail hates women.

People hate them because that's the way to be accepted on MN. They all claim to read the Guardian - they don't.

The Mail and The Sun are both excellent newspapers.

Both are expensive toilet paper. Enough said.