to ask why the Sun and the Mail newspaper are so hated on here?

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I have name changed for this as i am a regular MNer and i know i really ought to know this but i don't

i read the Sun every most days, i like the vacuous celeb gossip and their easy to understand way of writing (again - ) and the womens section, and the problem pages

what's so bad about it?

Oh and - they aren't hated, they are scorned.

Decent toilet paper doesn't leave newsprint all over your arse either. So they fail on that score too.

I don't read Heat, Cosmo etc...have no interest in 'celeb' twaddle or relationship advice.

Well they both contain poorly written and badly researched articles. The Sun dumbs down news to a level which they think the masses can understand, very patronising. It is also very sexist, you only have to look at page 3!

Don't really get the name change either!

What about the daily sport or whatever it's called? Surely that's worse?

Because they're bigoted, badly-written, ill-informed shit.

Well said. On a recent work trip to London I read the edition there - full of anti-Scots rubbish. None of which surprisingly ever sees the light of day in its so called Scottish edition, its got a cheek to call itself "The Scottish Sun".

The Mail in particular is not just shit but proactively evil, in my opinion: it quite knowingly stirs up fear and hatred and bigotry.

The Daily Mail is all about hating, in particular hating the people they want us to blame for everything that is 'wrong' with society.

And it's permanently obsessed with who is sleeping with who, whether public figures or your local vicar.

What paper is the one to read then? It's a newsprint minefield out there.

I like reading The Sun, as it's news in bite sized pieces. Irritatingly there are usually good news excerpts on page 3!
Read the Mail online at work in my lunch break, but generally purely for the entertaining readers' comments. Agree that their articles are a load of tosh though

2000AD ... Not a lot of actual news, granted, but it's got Johnny Alpha!

Pootles I don't know if I hate 'Heat'. I never buy magazines and would certainly never read something like that. The front cover at the supermarket checkout tells me all I need to know!

I read the Guardian and Independent online.

I don't even know if those two are compatible!

Right. This is my third comment on this thread. At first I thought the whole thing was a jokey (troll) question but now I realise it wasn't.

OP, the Sun is a misogynistic and simplistic newspaper. What the hell do you think page three is about? Why do you pay money for it?

Grow up, Nancy. Some of do read real newspapers.

The Sun is nasty, uninformative shit.

The Mail is nasty, manipulative shit.

The journalists who work for the Sun either feel tainted or have given up. The journalists who work for the Mail feel a little more superior, and a lot of the financial and specialist writers are very good. But most of them are still dying a little inside every time they see the front pages and some of the spoteful and stupid features and opinion pieces.

Dawn - I'm sure some do read The Guardian - just not nearly as many as claim.

Linerunner - having worked for both titles that simply isn't true

Ahh, Nancy, that explains it.

The OP was only talking about the Sun, actually!

Not the Daily Mail at all.

I have a friend who is a well known journalist. He spent a very brief time on the Mail but said he died a little every time he phoned someone up and found himself apologising for who he worked for. He didn't go into the profession to feel profoundly ashamed of his employer and soon left for a job on another daily which has a decent reputation.

The OP was only talking about the Sun, actually! Not the Daily Mail at all.

Erm. No.
Check the title of the thread.

Pandemoniaa - if your friend hated the paper so much then why go to work there?