Mother hurling abuse on tram, do you think she should be arrested?

[himynameisfred]

Here is the video of it happening.

Do you think the police should respond?

More than mere ADs I'll wager. I would not think she were safe to look after her child in that state.

It certainly didn't seem like normal behaviour, very out of control and looked under the influence of something.

Makes me want to emigrate

And which Utopia would you move to where this sort of thing couldn't, wouldn't happen ?

It really isn't a British thing, it's more like a human thing.

I have lived in many different countries in the world. Whilst on the whole the UK is one of the most tolerant I've lived, which makes me very proud most of the time, there is a nasty little undertow of vicious stupidity which manifests occasionally like this. I have never ever seen anybody mouthing off in public in such a way in any of the other countries I've lived in (none of them developing world admittedly). The racists in Britain speak without shame, expecting people to agree with them- that's the difference. Even though French people on the whole tend to be more what we might term racist in day to day speech, it's in my opinion a lot more superficial and arguably less meaningful than the insidious, naked hate demonstrated by this woman.

What was good to see in that clip is that nobody lost their cool, they merely gave her a wide berth as one would with a mad person you're not sure about. Which is what she looked like.

That woman looks completely drunk/off her face to me which is why I think she should be investigated for neglect by SS.

I wouldn't interact with someone pissed - they're not rational, the thinking and processing part of the brain is severely compromised.

Another tiny island nation, Iceland.

I have never ever seen anybody mouthing off in public in such a way in any of the other countries I've lived in

Oh I have.

Even not counting when I am out and about with MIL and she goes off on one.

Which is no surpise really cos you'd need a fair old proportion of viviously stupid, froth and rant prone people to vote for this lot, given their mission statements.

www.businessinsider.com/rise-of-far-right-populist-parties-can-derail-the-eu-2011-6?op=1

Even if thanks to differing attitudes towards alcohol you get an increased number of public ranters in GB, emigrating to aviod Tram Woman Type Rants, only to end up having somebody who would find the BNP a bit tame being the Home Office Miister, is something of a frying pan to fire scenario.

Becuase the extent of pain and harm caused to people on the sharp end tends to be more associated with political clout and the veneer of respectability that confers on its grassroot supporter, than it is volume control.

What would you find eaier to live with as a reaity in the place where you live ?

Tram woman

or this

In a perfect world we'd both pick niether TYVM.

But when emigrating utopia is not an option and any gains made come at a price that may well offend just as much as the attitude one seeks to escape being exposed to, if not moreso.

Stupidity, viciousness are not uniquely British qualities.

Mores the pity. The world would be a better place if it was confined to just a couple of hot spots where it could be contained, escaped from and countered by the bulk of other nations bringing sanctions to bear as retrubution.

Ms West has a mental illness and previous contact with mh services
has been detained in prison
her psych ax is ongoing
i hope she receives adequate help,and support for herself and the child.really needs a thorough assessment and some robust planning

Scottishmummy

Makes sense.

Depression alone does not make you racist.
Manic Depression neither, though would make you perhaps speak your racist thoughts out loud.

I've been sectionned twice (for psychosis) and never been racist/homophobic etc ( Though i did think I was buddha and Jesus rolled into one which some would probably find offensive!)

Hope for her childs sake she gets help.

"Mental illness" and "detained in prison".
Poor woman, that is just not right - can't see she will get the help she needs there.

Dilly, very sadly over half the female prison population has some form of MH issues.

mental illness is prevalent in penal system male and female, mental illness and poor literacy are common presenting factors
mental illness doesn't necessarily equate to racist or inappropriate language/behaviour but a mental illness can affect judgement,behaviour,and render one more disinhibited and such behaviour can be risky and extreme.as seems to have been exhibited by Ms Jones

Feenie well her oh is gosling a shit job then why os she allow to take the children out alone then

Why is she not already undergone mental health assessment why have the courts had to ask for this

If I was that I'll my oh would not be allowing me out alone with the children

Has the other thread been deleted? (Ms West's husbands friend one that is)

I think maypole it might just illustrate how woefully crap MH services are in the UK. Mental illness can also be well hidden until a person reaches some kind of crisis point (think of Gary Speed).
I am not defending this woman's racist views which I think are abhorrent but the fact is she will not get the right support in a prison.
IF her outburst is the result of a MH crisis then she needs to be in a hospital. I imagine though that the powers that be have assessed her and found that she is not a risk to herself or others which is just about the only thing you will get admission for these days. A full blown mental breakdown no longer gets you the right support.
Her whole MH needs assessment as does the safeguarding issues relating to her child. Hopefully this will now happen, if her husband is around then - yes - it needs to be established how she was that morning before judging his actions in leaving her alone with the child. I would not be surprised to hear from him though that "she seemed fine" - as apparently did Gary Speed. just hours before he took his life.

it's not as straightforward as services are crap,the picture differs across country in terms of quality.but govt cuts, job freezes, reduction in acute admission beds,certainly do impact. some v good work goes on too.

as a general if after Mha one is deemed unwell enough to be detained,sectionable then one would have been detained in a hospital.don't know all the specifics of ms west case but she could have been assessed in custody?

Update: she appeared in Court today and has pleaded guilty.

She has been remanded in custody until 3 January, for her own safety.

And it's not just as straightforward as saying "poor woman has mental health problems - it's not her fault, she needs help" - People with mental health problems can be racist too - you can't just blame it on her mental health problems.

EdithWeston

You need to re read the article you have linked to. It says she has not yet entered a plea.

I am so sorry - I completely fluffed the bit about changing the erroneous "not guilty" in the court records.