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To think this woman is putting her child in a very dangerous position with her racist rantings on public transport?

380 replies

TartyMcFarty · 28/11/2011 10:28

YouTube clip here

OP posts:
QuintessentialMercury · 28/11/2011 15:03

poor child. Sad

WorraLiberty · 28/11/2011 15:11

If it wasn't a "friend" then yes, a very brave person. I wouldn't have filmed it unless I was a six-foot bloke with no children with me

As someone else said, it's quite possible to film someone and look like you're simply texting or fiddling with your phone.

The zoom lenses are excellent on modern phones.

Psammead · 28/11/2011 15:12

Horrifying.

I don't understand how people can carry that much hate inside them and live with it from day to day.

I think MH issues must be the explaination. I hope she is found, helped and that her son is safe.

And I really hope that those who had to listen to her can move on from that experience. How frightening to be abused like that, even if she did have a child on her lap. I wouldn't have put it past her to put the child down and throw a punch herself.

Good God.

Maybe I misunderstood, but did someone accidentely wake her child? The other woman was saying something like 'now you've woken my baby' so I got the impression that that's what started her off. The child did look a bit sleepy.

YankNCock · 28/11/2011 15:15

I saw this on a friend's facebook page and found myself wondering about the black lad in the seat behind. A white girl went across the tram and hugged him, I wonder if she knew him? Or was just instinctively trying to show 'we're not all like that!'?

Psammead · 28/11/2011 15:18

Yank, he looked ready to engage the shouty woman at one point, but the other passengers stopped him. I think he was really very upset, so I think the hugger was comforting him and possibly trying to calm him.

His face. He looked so distraught. Sad

Pendeen · 28/11/2011 15:23

ticktok

Unfortunately anything is likely these days.

wahwahwah · 28/11/2011 15:26

She looks a little like Davina McCall...

MyChildDoesntNeedSleep · 28/11/2011 15:32

Wow, it's incredible the amount of comments on that video...they're coming faster than you can read them! She'll definitely be outed in real life.

MyChildDoesntNeedSleep · 28/11/2011 15:33

I thought it was Kat Slater at first!

Peachy · 28/11/2011 15:38

Maypole that is terrible and I am sorry you had to go through that. Moving from somewhere rural to somewhere close to a city though I wish I were more surprised.

And YY to everything you said about CP register / parents passing on views. Cycles CAN be broken- at some point they must have been after all and certainly the difference between the opinions of my Mum and Grandad is huge- but it takes intervention.

Peachy · 28/11/2011 15:39

Oh and for teh bigotry in that women

Ther ARE people arguing with her, being supportive.

That is positive.

Psammead · 28/11/2011 15:41

Voice of doom and gloom here, sorry, but do you think this will become more common due to the recession? Hard times historically brings the extremists out from the woodwork. Sad

How do parents of black children deal with this? In books, children's TV shows, cartoons etc, racial harmony is the norm. How do you prepare your child for this kind of outburst? Just hope it wont happen and then deal with it if and when? Or educate them about other people's hatred? Genuine question.

dancingmustard · 28/11/2011 15:41

Therre's a lot of people wanting violence to happen to her on those youtube comments.
The scummy brigade have got hold of this and are running with it.
This really could be the fault of SS/Health professionals who are allowing someone so ill to be out in the community.
Stoning our mentally ill to death isn't the way forward surely?

Psammead · 28/11/2011 15:46

Violence is never a good solution.

Peachy is right though, at least the reaction is one of horror Confused

dancingmustard · 28/11/2011 15:51

She's been labelled as ...

A bitch
A baboon with down syndrome
A person we should put to death
A person good enough to be murdered

Thed moral majority have spoken via youtube and I for one find that more offensive than the womans rants.

FellatioNelson · 28/11/2011 15:54

Well if it's been picked up by the Croydon newspapers she won't be able to step out of her front door soon.

FellatioNelson · 28/11/2011 15:55

We don't know AT ALL that she is mentally ill. It's a possibility, but one of many. I'd put my money on drugs.

MincePieFlavouredVoidka · 28/11/2011 15:55

Oh God - I think that might be my tram. It certainly looks alot like it.

That poor boy. Someone should send it to the police rather than posting it on You Tube.

Scoundrel · 28/11/2011 15:56

I say drugs too. The way she's moving her mouth I'd say speed, although it's possible that she's so embittered and angry that her mouth moves in that weird way all of its own accord.

MincePieFlavouredVoidka · 28/11/2011 15:56

Oh maybe it isnt if its in Croydon.

ConOfScience · 28/11/2011 16:00

I am sitting here in horror actually hoping that this woman is on drugs or in fact mentally ill.

And the reason I'm so upset with myself is because I wouldn't wish a bad thing on anyone, but the alternative here is that this woman is actually of sound mind and she fully believes she is justified in her actions. (Which IMO is just awful)

I have seen this video posted all over facebook with a warning that the footage may be upsetting or cause distress.

Peachy · 28/11/2011 16:01

I don't understand whys omeone would seek to argue against racism and then invoke the use of disablist / mysogynist / vioent terms and threats.

It is intelligence that is our best weapon against all forms of hatred, not dropping to that level.

MrsHankey · 28/11/2011 16:07

I definitely think drugs.

Horrid situation.

fastweb · 28/11/2011 16:21

I wonder if I would have said anything if I had been a witness

If I am ever a wittness to something like that (or more likely, accompanying MIL when she sets off on insulting everybody from Southern Italy/Another Country and the surrounding gen pub naturally enugh looks it it would like to lynch her) having thought about it...I am going to start singing We All Live in a Yellow Submarine or Immagine (or something like that, but in Italian) depending on which one I think I can remember the words to. Really Loudly. And Clapping Along.

Best case scenario everybody will join in, lose the feeling of impotence to do anything cos intervention carries the risk of inflaming the situation, unite them in a postive way (so they feel less like clumping her, and can show solidarity with the people at the sharp end of her tirade) drown her out and with any luck she'll join in and forget she hates everybody today, or just mutter in a mammoth sulk.

Worst case scenario I'll feel like an utter twat, but at least should draw attention away from the person being vile, and it make it less easy for people to hear exactly how offensive they are being.

We already use the singing thing at home to break the rising tension, unite and drown out the vitriol (her neighbours just love us, its either ranting and raving or impromptu sing songs) when she has one specific person as her target, and it works. So perhaps it will work in a more public setting too.

I'm just immagining that bus bursting into song and taking the aural space back forcibly, in a very peaceful fashion.

It's a nice idea in the theoretical, just hope I never have to put my (really horrible) singing voice to the test.