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To think this woman is putting her child in a very dangerous position with her racist rantings on public transport?

380 replies

TartyMcFarty · 28/11/2011 10:28

YouTube clip here

OP posts:
BupcakesandCunting · 29/11/2011 10:08

Hooray!

MildlyNarkyPuffin · 29/11/2011 10:11

Lambrini before This Morning comes on?

Common.

Pagwatch · 29/11/2011 10:13

It's fine narky, a bit of orange juice and it is legit

crazynanna · 29/11/2011 10:17
MildlyNarkyPuffin · 29/11/2011 10:19

Well that's ok then. As long as some standards are maintained

BupcakesandCunting · 29/11/2011 10:20

It's concentrated orange juice. Will that even make a very good Fuck's Fizz?

at 20/20. I remember puking on a boy I was trying to ensnare after quaffing a massive bottle of orange 20/20. Poor bloke.

flatbellyfella · 29/11/2011 10:32

Absolutely Apalling woman, she should be charged for that outburst.

AbsofCroissant · 29/11/2011 10:37

I've heard this kind of outburst many many times on public transport, in stations etc. There was one incident when we were in a restaurant and some drunk guy came in and gave a good long anti-semitic rant and NO ONE batted an eyelid, bar DP who challenged him.

QuintessentialMercury · 29/11/2011 10:39

charged with a racially-aggravated public order offence

porcamiseria · 29/11/2011 11:15

OH...... main emotion is sadness that her kid is sat on lap all through it. Poor poor kids

wahwahwah · 29/11/2011 11:32

Oh the second one isn't posh at all. Train into Liverpool street - hmmm. Looks like someone working for a financial company in support, hopefully not HR ('so you have a Phd, went to Oxford and want to work nere? I think not Mr Patel').
You see a million of these clambering off the trains at Liverpool street and Farmington stations. The title said she was having a go at Indians, so I loved the bit when she was ranting about 'you people' coming into 'our country'... Has she never heard of the British Empire, and the rights and wrongs of that episode in British... Or rather 'English' (as people like here only ever use the E-word) history. We should ask James Caan to have a little word with her.

Not sure if it is a real rant or a drunken mess-about. The rose implies that she has been at the pub. Boyfriend probably left her for a hot Brazilian babe!

FellatioNelson · 29/11/2011 12:37

If anyone thinks she is posh they've obviously led very sheltered lives!

fastweb · 29/11/2011 13:28

Anyway, Mental health and addiction is no ecusse for this type of behaviour

Mental illness (or substance abuse) being mooted as a potential element should not automatically be confused with attempts to thwart sanctions, limits and refusals to allow the unsociable behaviors to blossom unfettered regardless of the impact on other people. Not least becuase pre packaged, albeit well meaning excuses are a poor alternative to adequate access to treatment, support and if required, mandatory residential placements for as long as needed, when essential to sucessful management and damage limitation.

I get more mental illness fueled abuse rained down on me in a typical quarter than your average Joe Bloggs sees in his life time. I am not unaware how distressing it is (especially having been up, quite literally all night, dealing with PheasantGate 5.0 which has escalated at warp speed nine) and I am not in favour of bespittled intolerance splattered all over the gen. public gaining acceptance in the name of...tolerance.

At the same time I can't condone ignoring MH and addiction or calling it excuse making, and pretending that the level of control impaired people have over their behaviors is equivilant to that of an unimpaired person.

I think it is wasteful, lazy and dismissive of the needs and rights of the impaired person, their family/loved ones and the public at large to insist on the expensive and useless route of trying to apply the same sanctions that are applied to well people, given that the hope of said sanctions playing a rehabilitave/preventative role are negligable.

I have known many people with addiction and mental health problems and none would spout this shit so it certainly is not an excusse for the views

It's not a one size fits all. Even within a single diagnosis like bipolar I you are going to find a huge variety of character triats, views, beliefs, behaviors, reactions, sysmptoms and responses to medication (including refusal to take them) and severity. Once you add in all the other sub types of the wider lable bipolar, that range and vairiety will expand. Then you have to add in all the co-morbid conditions, of which there are not a few, to compound the individuality of the resultant "behavior cocktail". And when you have done that you need to wash repeat and rinse for all other disorders, syndromes and conditions, of all sub types, and levels of severity within the sub type.

Then start again and add in addiction, which is no less complex and individualized.

Mentally ill people and substance abusers are still people. Regardless of some potential common behaviors, reactions and sysmtoms between a range of disorders you'd hardly expect them to be carbon copies of each other given that they are unique individuals.

Being a ranting, racist gobshite does not mean you are mentally ill.

Likewise being a ranting, racist gobshite does not give you immunity from mental illness.

Ditto addiction.

however I would say she looks like she is on street drugs rather than other wise mentaly unwell

The two, unfortuantly, are not mutually exclusive.

There are a quite a few markers in that vid that leave room for the possibility of something like MH, substance abuse or both going on. But I doubt even a leading psych would feel confident in ruling anything in or out in a definitive manner after watching a vid.

flatbread · 29/11/2011 13:36

Why does it matter if she is mentally ill? Her racist rant is just that - are you trying to find mitigating circumstances and make her a 'victim'? Why would any one want to 'help' her?

I, for one, would like her to be stripped of benefits and council housing, if she is living in one.

The people I feel most sorry for are the poor black people, especially the boy behind, who had to listen to this racist rant. It will impact them and scar them in some way for a long time.

maypole1 · 29/11/2011 13:38

Don't really carer wether she is charged or not

What I hope for is socials services get involved and that boy is removed

LauraIngallsWilder · 29/11/2011 14:01

I am Hmm that the op said quite clearly - you tube link..............
And the very first poster told op off for not stating that her link was a you tube link

Im not sure whether to :o or Shock at that.

I am obviously v appalled at the woman ranting.
I would have found it very difficult to be on that train and not intervene.

BupcakesandCunting · 29/11/2011 14:07

How will stripping her of house and benefits help really, though? It's nice in the short-term to think of her being up shit creek with no money or house but think long-term. She won't have her child taken off her (though she should) and where would that leave him?

I don't know what the answer is here, tbh. :(

crazynanna · 29/11/2011 14:07

Apparantly,she appeared at Magistrates today, and was remanded in custody.

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flatbread · 29/11/2011 14:13

How will stripping her of house and benefits help really, though?

As a society we have limited resources, and I would personally prefer our tax money spent helping people who actually contribute to society than detract from it.

LauraIngallsWilder · 29/11/2011 14:14

Oh I see! I couldnt see any comment to that effect in the thread - hence my comment.

Hence why post editing is a bad idea
Unless it actually says "this post has been edited" - which would mean that late comers wouldnt make innocents comments as I just did!

Why cant MN just add - "this post has been edited by MN" or whatever (if they must edit!!!!

bluishmist · 29/11/2011 14:28

Not surprising she is from New Addington. It's the most soulless and depressing place I have ever come across in the London area.

MarthasHarbour · 29/11/2011 14:35

I read this thread and viewed the vid last night, it has stayed with me since Sad

my first thought was also the child, i flinched for him the entire way through, the adults could handle themselves (and fair play to the black lady who tackled her along with all the other passengers) but the little boy.....Sad... my DS would have been in bits if that had been me, or anyone else around him.

OK so she has been arrested, good. BUT all of the press has been about her racially aggravated rant. Yes i agree that was abhorrent but there is nothing about social services. Is that because it is confidential do you think? I just wanted to hug that little boy Sad