To think this woman is putting her child in a very dangerous position with her racist rantings on public transport?

[TartyMcFarty]

YouTube clip here

Maybe teh chidl isn't safe with her- we don't know do we? We're just speculating.

We can err on the side of caution in terms of the child's well being and see that for one reason or another she is unable or unwilling to evalutate a context and deem it too potentially unsafe a situation to place her child in.

Provocative behavior of that nature does not jibe with a state of mind where the child's need to be safe from verbal and physical abuse surrounding him are given priority over the mother's desire/impulse to insult and abuse people.

Disgusting. That poor child.

I grew up in a household where being ranted at and verbally abused by an alcoholic father was very much the norm and watching this video took me right back there. I have a son now and am pregnant with my second child and hope they never have to experience that awful stomach churning fear that comes with seeing the adult who 'cares' for you making you feel unsafe and afraid.

I wish I hadn't watched this actually but it is important to note that this sort of behaviour still goes on. We should challenge it, although I think I would have stayed silent on this occasion if only to spare the poor little lad as much as possible. She is using him as a human shield and although he looks calm, I can imagine that he is terrified to be the focus of so much anger from other passengers - he won't understand that they are justifiably confronting his mother.

Sadly i have heard racist views like that expressed - and not just by white british people. Personally I do challenge racism when i hear it.
If that lady is mentally ill or drunk then her lack of inhibitions will lead her to express her views in public like that. And/or she may lack the education / intelligence to question the racist views of people she has grown up with - i've met many people who really do believe the tabloids & the racist myths they hear.
Even my own mixed-race cousin who has an recent immigrant husband, 2 mixed-race DC & lives in social housing had a rant on FB about 'immigrants taking our jobs & housing'. Yes & her poor kids no doubt hear it!

Awful, feel very sorry for child.

Would think drugs or possibly MH issues, as others have said, especially with the mouth thing.

The other passengers were amazingly restrained & should be proud of themselves, especially the black woman who was mostly speaking to her.

MmeLindor Why is it so bad to see this, Helena? I don't understand your reasoning

that will be because I'm one of those too sensitive souls to not bear to able to watch the video. No, you really don't see why its so bad, do you?

Worral yes, no one forced me to watch, it was originally posted without warning with the empasis of concern for the child. Unfortunately once I'd clicked it was like watching a slow car crash unfold.

Helen, I don't think people in general understand your point. You perhaps need to explain it a bit more.

That child may look calm but he is picking up on the threatening, menacing and atagonistic athosphere around him. He is in a very vulnerable position and it is incredibly lucky that no one went for her whilst she was holding him. I know many parts of London where that would make no difference.

I used to see incidents like this a lot when I lived in London. The atmosphere is so hostile.

I don't think she would have done that without the baby she is using him as protection. I hope ss become involved.

There is a lot of talk about son of the vile woman son but not very much about young man behind her? He goes from angry to distraught. What do you think the behaviour and the level of action / inaction in this incident has taught him? Am I the only one that thinks that although the 2nd lady stood up the the vile woman, her first concern was that she was waking her child up? It was hardly a moral reason for reacting. What I would like to have seen is more people politely saying that they did not support her views and would be reporting her to the appropriate authorities rather than looking away or just enjoying the show.

Grey... at it being daftpunk!!

I don't want to hijack Scarlett but London hostile, really? I live in a really multicultural part of South London and I have never seen anything even close to that behaviour here. I am pretty sure less 'mixed' areas are more racist, actually.

Sara - I know, wishful thinking perhaps? I'll prob get banned now!

I can't imagine that it was anyone other than a "friend" filming. She looks straight into the camera / phone several times. He / she may have wound her up without regard for the child. I'd be interested to know who shot the footage but I really hope I'm wrong about it.

That child was not safe - I would expect social workers to investigate the kid's home life and assess it. The fact he was passive, despite the turmoil going on around, is a strong hint he has learnt to keep a low profile :( :(

Apparently the whole thing is being investigated and she will be identified soon, I would think.

I wonder if I would have said anything if I had been a witness? Prob not if I was yards away, but if I had been close, I would have had to, I think. The person who did the filming has done a good thing.

If that clip was genuine - and not staged for some ulterior purpose - then yes YANBU, the child was at risk of being harmed by a reaction from one of the other passengers.

If it wasn't a "friend" then yes, a very brave person. I wouldn't have filmed it unless I was a six-foot bloke with no children with me.

Good on the other lady too who says she is of a similar background and tells her off, showing the woman up for being an exceptionally awful person and not typical. I'd be terrified to confront her so well done that woman!

Can't you get phones where it would look like you were texting on it, but you were actually holding it an angle that allows you to film with it? I don't think she knew she was being filmed.

As for what started it, a dispute over seats maybe? There are a lot of people stood up and the seat next to her is empty.

pendeen even if it was 'staged' (how likely is that?) the child was still at risk. Even if the mother was a paid actor (along with others) for some weird reason, the child was still unsafe.

Even if it was a TV programme, no one would put a child directly into that scene.

Here, here oldenglishspangles.

Or is it hear, hear?

I would like to think that I'd have told her to shut the jeff up. I'd have felt safe enough; don't think that anyone on the tram would have backed her up if it came to it. I think that shock stops people sometimes, that or thinking that someone else will speak up.

The sad thing is that you can't argue with bigots like that. You could explain to her why immigration began in Britain (the fucking Empire/slavery) but she wouldn't have it. She wants to spray everyone with her bile and spittle. She doesn't want to not be a racist fuckwit. Sadly.

The British Transport Police now have issued a number for anyone to call if the know the woman. She must be pooring herself - assuming she has sobered up by now. There must be a playgroup worker or someone in a local shop who know her.

She won't be pooing herself.

She'll be full of righteous indignation and the EDL Facebook page will be rallying round to pay her court costs.

The person filming it is a young black lad (the camera is turned around a couple of times)

Unless they are very good (and brave) actors, or the whole tram carriage is filled with actors, it is unlikely to be staged.

bupcakesandcunting sadly people like miss the point on immigration and you are probably not far from the truth her getting her costs paid

It is quite easy to film someone from your phone without them knowing (I realise I have made myself sound like a happy slapper or whatever they were called a few years ago). I have never found the atmosphere on London Transport to be hostile and before I moved up I grew up in the middle of the New Forest so I am hardly some hardened city type. But I digress, the woman on the tram is completely vile. I like to think I would have said something if I had been there but I guess I can't say for sure.

There are likely to be all sorts of weirdos willing send her money to defend herself. money that they have managed to stop those thieving immigrants from stealing from them......