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wife thinks I can help more and very angry with me

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Homer1978 · 17/11/2011 20:24

I have a problem and I need your advice. I have a strong, beautiful, smart, ambitious wife. our gorgeous little Baby Girl is turning 4 months next week. My wife said the other night that even in Mumsnet they reckon that she is like a single mom. It crashed me.
I want you perhaps to show me the other side, perhaps I am doing something wrong, perhaps I need to change my perspective.

We have been married for 2 years, knowing each other 4, this is our first one. We love each other like crazy (or I can speak for myself).
I am running my own biz with 200 employees and offices around the world. I leave to work at 07:30 return at 18:00. In the last 4 months I can count on one hand the times I returned after 18:00 (at around 19:00), 3 of which were last week. I traveled abroad for Biz, 3 times in 4 months, for 2-3 days each time.
My wife is alone in the country as her Family (that anyway are not a warm family but good people though) lives in Germany.
She is working in a high-tech company as an analyst and took 4 months Maternity leave. The only help we get is from my Parents that are helping a lot relatively and from a babysitter that we took in the last month that comes 3 times a week during the day for 3 hours at the time.

Where is the problem? She reckons that I am not helping enough and I reckon that I don?t know any husband that helps more than me (considering the circumstances). Although it sounds quite like a simple argument, it got her to treat me really bad and accuse me of her problems (gaining weight, being exhausted?) and it reached a boiling point, that I fear can harm our future.
I am not perfect, like her I am righteous, I can say sometimes things I don?t mean. However, I am Loyal, Loving, caring. As for the Caring, I care too much and it is a problem as I get stressed from things (is our BG cold/warm/healthy?). I am confident in our relations that they are based on mutual love and a lot of passion (recently from obvious reasons I am more ?passionate??).

Now for the Technicals: in the first month I looked after our BG 5 hours a day from 18:00 to 23:00 every day (after returning from work), my wife slept at that time as the nights were rough., at 23:00 she put her to bed.
After a month we started a shower routine at 20:00 then feeding and then sleeping hence, I looked after her from 18:00-20:00 including giving her a bath every night up till today. Then my wife breastfed her and put her into bed. I never put our BG to bed till today and never woke up at night for her cries.
On weekends almost on a regular basis I m spending all mornings with our BG. 3-4 hours in the mornings and my wife usually sleeps. The rest of the weekend I would say that we spend time looking after her equally (of course I don?t breastfeed so my wife spends a bit more time with her).
I am very involved, singing, reading, jumping, changing Diapers, showering? and love our BG like there is no tmrw and it is reciprocal.
Last week we started to gradually give her formula and my wife wants to stop breastfeeding her completely at the age of 4 months ( I personally prefer that she will do it for couple of more months, however I support her decision and don?t give her hard time at all). I also support her decision to go back to work after 4 months (I like the fact that she is ambitious).

What does my wife want from me? ( I will try to be as much as accurate as possible and represent her side on the best way):
That I didn?t put our BG to bed till now, that I came back from work late (at 19:00 3-4 times), that I don?t take my wife out on a date, that I am not helping enough with the baby.
That I was stressed when she was pregnant (I admitted in my stressfulness and apologized and she says that she forgave me). That I wake her up in the weekend mornings asking her how was the night (I am doing so as I am spending 3-4 hours with our BG so I need to know when she needs to eat etc?). that she is dead tired, exhausted, feel bad about her body and I cannot understand and support enough.

Her perspective of equal relationships is the actual 50-50 however, I say that it doesn?t work like that and being equal is nice in saying but as I am working hard and she isn?t we cannot spend equally the burdens and responsibilities. When she will be back at work in 10 days , I believe that things will be more equal. I support this approach and will contribute my part in almost an equal way.

My problem is getting worse, as she is building this ?loathy? feeling towards me, that is tearing us apart.
If she is depressed, the it is a relief since it should pass, if not, then it is serious as I don?t expect from someone who loves me to feel so negative about me.

I need your help, please let me know what I can do more? Is she really a ?single mom??

OP posts:
notmyproblem · 17/11/2011 22:50

PeneloPee she said she had her now 5-year-old at 39, making her 44 now. So 19 for the first, 21 for the second.

Pretty sure that 25 years after your first baby, all the memories of the bad stuff have faded into oblivion, leaving Rational nothing but a gilded perfect delusion idea of how things were.

methsdrinker · 17/11/2011 22:51

You could try a spider diagram and really freak everyone out

LunarRose · 17/11/2011 22:51

No actually if genuinely a wife needs to mention Mumsnet to her husband to try an explain how unhappy she is, she's clearly is already feeling every vulnerable.

It's shouldn't be about right to reply either, it's not a contest competition or court.

We aren't really Mumsnet jury

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 17/11/2011 22:51

Bertie, you are my absolute hero...

Wink
LunarRose · 17/11/2011 22:53

Binfullof maggots - I have reported, can't stand the thought that some shitty man is using a forum for women to support each other to do the opposite

Rational · 17/11/2011 22:53

PeneloPee

Thanks for the maths, but it was 20 years after my first when I had my second.

Rational · 17/11/2011 22:54

Third

AnyFucker · 17/11/2011 22:55

have reported the thread too

witherhills · 17/11/2011 22:56

Someone needs to bang your heads together and get you to talk to each other.
Everything changes when that first child comes along, you two have to change with it
Talk to each other fgs

Binfullofmaggotsonthe45 · 17/11/2011 22:56

Me too AF and Lunar, thanks for letting me know, I don't want to be unfair but this just feels wrong.

LunarRose · 17/11/2011 22:57

Anyfucker - does anyone reply to you when you report a Thread?

Rational · 17/11/2011 22:57

Why has the thread been reported? Are men banned from seeking advice or help? Surely no one needed to do so if they felt strongly that it was wrong?

AnyFucker · 17/11/2011 22:58

Yes, Lunar, usually

it might take a day or so though

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 17/11/2011 22:58

Lunar (@22:51) makes a good point.

We should be able to tell our DP's how unhappy we are without needing MN to validate those feelings. The fact she needed those feelings validated suggested that perhaps her feelings get devalued a lot already?

LunarRose · 17/11/2011 22:58

Men seeking advice, no problem with. This man is not seeking advice.

Rational · 17/11/2011 22:59

Bugger, I'm on my iPhone so typing is crap. I meant surely people who felt it was wrong just shouldn't have responded. Others who felt it was fair can then respond if they see fit.

AnyFucker · 17/11/2011 23:00

rational, this isn't just any old man seeking advice though is it ?

this is aman who has chased his wife to MN

she was here first

this is her space

he has invaded it...MN could have been her last arena where she got listened to

don't you know anything about coercive or abusive relationships ?

Rational · 17/11/2011 23:02

I do, but I've seen nothing to evidence that is the case here. You don't even know if she's unaware he's posted or not.

Fuck, this is like deja vu, only the last thread I posted on where everyone got carried away and started accusing the bloke of being abusive without evidence was 'disappeared'.

Binfullofmaggotsonthe45 · 17/11/2011 23:03

No there have been some very open and honest men on here asking for help and advice.

However the terms "passive aggressive gaslighting" are springing to mind.

Not to worry Rational , there are a whole host of other posts on here where you can make people feel inadequate in comparison to your maternal strengths.

BTW DS was born 10lbs, a natural birth, I had 14 stitches up my knicker bacon with no pain relief, breast fed him through mastitis and for 8 months even while in a full on career, he slept through the night from 3 months. Oh and during all this I did it alone with no family or back up whatsoever as DH was in Iraq, so I had plenty of peaceful cryfree nights to sit and think about him possibly getting blown to smithereens in a war zone.

And I've never cooked a processed meal. i have never disclosed this to anyone before, but as the thread is being wiped I'll enjoy a game of smuggety mumsy top trumps with you.

Stick that up yer fanjo and bloody well jog on.

AnyFucker · 17/11/2011 23:03

rational, I wasn't actually going to respnd, as per your instructions

until I saw that he was getting support for shitty behaviour from people who don't know what they are talking about, and hadn't thought about (or didn't care) about the dynamics of relationships like this

I would call that, be it man or woman

I don't actually care if this bloke gets chased off

i would rather upset some nice bloke who genuinely wants to do well, than gang up against a vulnerable woman

because a decent bloke would go away, think about it, and get his arse in gear

this woman ? where does she go now ?

LunarRose · 17/11/2011 23:04

Fair doesn't come into it, and just responding is insufficient.

If the OP is using this post (probably printed out) to tell his wife how awful she is and look mumsnet think you are unreasonable and depressed. I don't want him doing that. yes Rationale that is a common abusive tactic, finding some authority to prove the abused wrong.

There is nothing on the first page that posts the other perspective. He could print a fair number of posts before he even would get to one is support

Awful just awful

AnyFucker · 17/11/2011 23:06

yes, lunar, i wish i had posted sooner

damn that funbags thread

BertieBotts · 17/11/2011 23:08

No, a spider diagram would never work. I remember at this postnatal NCT thing they gave us all a worksheet which had a cartoon of a frazzled new mum with lots of juggling balls she's trying to keep in the air and we had to write in each ball what things we were trying to juggle and I agonised about which sized bubble to use for each thing Blush

I would quite like to do a pie chart of today. It would be interesting. DP looked after DS from when he got up at 6.45 to about 10ish, did all the washing up (several days' worth), made a second lot of breakfast and distracted DS when he was distraught about something I couldn't help with, whereas I have done some job applications, made lunch for everyone, sorted out my uni timetable, then took DS to the park when he was driving us both mad, provided cuddles after DP was a bit more brisk than he would usually be because he was tired, DP went to bed at this point, so I made dinner for DS, persuaded him not to fall asleep in his dinner, fixed his train track, and then dealt with a horrible incident involving poo and taking his own nappy off, managing not to get any poo on any surface except the kitchen floor (I am proudest of this part!) to which he then screamed hysterically at not wanting to be cleaned, tried negotiating with small, increasingly poo covered child, decided to run him a bath despite howls of terror, inserted him into said bath dreading the inevitable future trauma of bathtimes, was pleasantly surprised to find he quite liked it when he got in, so decided to clean the bathroom as it smelled of man-piss. And then put DS to bed, read stories, did some more softly softly coaching towards the idea of potty training, took a picture of a weird rash on his shoulder (Oh yeah, I meant to upload that...) and then fell asleep and woke up to realise I'd forgotten to sort childcare for tomorrow so had to text DP's sister (Oops, forgot to text her back as well).

The day started off so well but by the end I can't help feeling I've done a lot more... I think DP was intending to cook dinner tonight but he's still asleep.

SunRaysthruClouds · 17/11/2011 23:09

AF, for someone who usually talks sense I think you are a little distracted. How can you suggest that a public forum with rather a lot of readers could be 'her space' and 'her last arena where she got listened to'? It really isn't a nice cosy room with sofas he is 'invading'.
May be some reasonable advice to a man whose upbringing and possibly generational differences from his wife mean he is not on the same wavelength would be better. I am projecting of course but that it how it seems to me.
OP - in the unilkely event you are still involved in this you should perhaps consider both getting an objective view of what is reasonable here. MN is not the place I think.

Rational · 17/11/2011 23:10

"If the OP is using this post (probably printed out) to tell his wife how awful she is and look mumsnet think you are unreasonable and depressed. I don't want him doing that."

But you have no idea, not a clue, if he's actually any intention of doing that. You're making that up.