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To be livid with independent pre-prep school for excluding my 3 year old DS1

145 replies

mumoftwolilboys · 16/11/2011 22:12

...for wetting his pants?

It's the whole way it's been done. We had no warning that he was going to be excluded and suddenly out of the blue, a phone call came one evening just after half term stating that he's had a few accidents that week and therefore he will not be allowed in the next day. No procedures followed. I was suddenly out of childcare and had to take emergency time off work.

I know the school policy states that he cannot be in nappies, but he isn't in nappies. DS1 has been potty training since 19 months and went through terrible regression after the birth of DS2 9 months ago, who had very bad feeding problems till he was nearly 6 months so we weren't able to give DS1 all the attention that a toddler craved. We TOLD the school about his regresion (in 3 separate documents and discussions), but as DS1 was starting to do so well and was dry with us all the time, and not doing badly at nursery, we did not even worry about this issue. Unfortunately, DS1 had a very bad start upon starting pre-reception in Sept, and was immediately stigmatised as the one with potty training problem. This didn't help as the negative attention given to him just flared the problem. The school did not do anything positive to help, apart from the token gestures and pretense in trying to get DS1 to not have accidents (mostly involving pressure against us as parents and making us pass the pressure to DS1). What makes me even more livid is the fact that before the 2 week half term we have just had, DS1 was actually doing very well and only had couple of wet accidents per week. He hardly ever has accidents with us (apart from tiny patches) because we never ever pressure him or remind him to go to the toilet when with us. DS1 normally marches himself into the toilet at home and does it all himself.

We have been very forceful in writing letter, getting policy documents, meeting up (all of which WE had to take initiative, not the school), and finally got DS1 back into school today with the condition that he would need to be withdrawn by next Wednesday if he had more than 1 accident in a week. I was allowed to come in for a couple of hours towards the end of the day(though the manager had thoroughly fought against that) to observe why DS1 keeps wetting his pants in school. I spoke to the manager and deputy manager, asking how they do certain things and why, and giving feedback on what I thought they did that wasn't working. I smiled and made light hearted comments, staying professional all throughout. When I got home, I was shocked to hear a voice message left on our phone from the headteacher stating that I was rude to the manager and deputy manager, including criticising them and resulted in one being in tears (WTF?!). I do not have a clue what they are talking about, apart from the fact that it's probably a means for them to say that I can no longer go in to observe my DS1. They once again said that it's best if DS1 was withdrawn from school. Hope it's not cynical of me to feel the only crime we have actually committed against the school is not being the rich parent that they want us to be. But why admit us in the first place?!

I have called OFSTED, ISI, LEA. They have all said that the school can do whatever they like as they do not report to any of them. I have gone through in detail with each of them, challenging DDA law and framework but apparently they are not breaking any rules. Also, they can choose to follow EYFS but they don't have to because it is a private school and toileting is a very wishy washy area. Department of Education has agreed to look at my letter if I complain to them, but why do I have this sinking feeling that nothing will come of it?

Our poor DS1 has been traumatised since the phone conversation, which came during the DC's dinner time. It seems like they are making it a habit to call us during the DC's dinner time, completely disrupting our lives.

Regretting choosing a private pre-prep to begin with, one that claimed to be inclusive. We thought it was going to save us a little money compared to nursery but oh boy, now it's costing us thousands more. Just an indication of how much we've lost, the smalles cost we will be losing is in the uniform that we've spent over £400 and he has only been wearing them for 7 weeks!!

Am I allowed to name the school in this thread? Am I even posting in the right section? Please let me know if I'm not.

OP posts:
MidsomerM · 16/11/2011 22:17

Is it possible he's having accidents because he's unhappy there? It doesn't sound like a very nice place, and the thought of a 3 year old having to wear uniform would be enough to put me off from the start!

3littlefrogs · 16/11/2011 22:18

You are the customer. The school needs you more than you need them. You can pay, therefore you can choose.

If I were you I would be voting with my feet. They sound as if they know nothing about the emotional and physical development of children TBH.

auntiepicklebottom2 · 16/11/2011 22:20

i would of taken him out of the school anyhow.

fgs he is 3, many 3 year old are not even potty trained yet

fireandlife · 16/11/2011 22:21

This happened to a young member of my family at 3 1/2. The parents accepted that the school rules did state that the children had to be fully toilet trained. The child's mother took two weeks off work at great inconvenience and expense and focussed entirely on the toilet training. The child returned to school two weeks later and hasn't had an accident since. Very annoying at the time but all happily resolved now.

troisgarcons · 16/11/2011 22:23

With fee paying schools, you are there by invitation. That invitation can be rescinded when your (or your child) dont conform.

Been there, done that. Mine went in from 2years 9 months and I had them out by 5 and 6.

it's lovely and glossy and cheaper than a childminder but when push comes to shove I didnt put up with assualts by staff (police investigated). The school has now closed - nothing to do with me - my issues were 10 years ago.

FabbyChic · 16/11/2011 22:23

HOw old is your child? Maybe he is not emotionaly mature enough yet to go to prep-school its a lot of pressure for a little boy.

besides which you admit yourself you didnt pay him enough attention when you had your newborn, maybe he needs more attention at home rather than you looking after your younger child. Older children need more attention when a newborn comes on the scene not less. Babies only need feeding and changing nothing more than that in the first few months, yet you made him feel left out so he regressed.

I think you are pushing him too hard to grow up.

You yourself are causing him the drama not the school.

Put your child first not your pocket or your childcare needs.

bringmesunshine2009 · 16/11/2011 22:23

Potty trained by 3?? Oh my word. DS1 in in BIG trouble. Jettison the school, they sound rubbish. Bugger about the childcare tho.

bibbitybobbitybloodyaxe · 16/11/2011 22:27

The trouble with the independent school system is that it is allowed to be selective, as you are surely aware?

bibbitybobbitybloodyaxe · 16/11/2011 22:28

Also, the vast majority of children are toilet trained by the age of 3. They just are.

wildheaven · 16/11/2011 22:29

Plenty of private schools manage to be selective without being unreasonable.

MenopausalHaze · 16/11/2011 22:29

Ummmmmm.............................

TeWihara · 16/11/2011 22:30

You probably aren't going to get anywhere complaining about them, annoying as that is.

Write them off as not for you and send your DS somewhere else.

There are masses of pre-schools that are happy to take on children in nappies and help during the potty training process, talk to parents about it, suggest ideas, go along with sticker based bribery etc... one of those sounds like it would be a far better match for your child.

I know because my nearly 3yo is at one. Plus the uniform cost less that £30 and is optional!

MenopausalHaze · 16/11/2011 22:30

£400 uniform? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

bibbitybobbitybloodyaxe · 16/11/2011 22:30

Well I happen to think it is unreasonable to be selective on the basis of parents' ability to pay - but that is a whole other thread or 20!

mumoftwolilboys · 16/11/2011 22:31

DS1 very very happy there, hence I initially thought surely we could resolve this. We have just had 2 weeks half term with DS1 having absolutely no accidents with us. Goes back to school and accidents start again. He just needs time to settle back down I think, but who knows!

I really want to take him out, but like I said he is so happy there he actually gets upset (cried once when I didn't realise he was listening from upstairs) when we were talking about looking at primary schools as an option on top of his prep school. That was before half term and before all this chaos. He still really loves the school so it's such a shame. Plus I am completely broke after maternity leave and have just invested in this school having worked out I will save a bit towards the end of the year. We can afford the fees, it's just that money is tight. Buit now that we've already invested in this school, registration fee, deposits, uniform, government funding for under 5s etc. I can't even afford deposit + fees that his new nurseries are asking from us (it is a lot to us on top of the fees we've already paid).

I wish I could just say we live and learn but unfortunately I'm now stuck in the middle of it all, furious with the school and unable to afford financially for new nurseries, not to mention how close I am to losing my job (long story - all involving childcare issues).

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EdithWeston · 16/11/2011 22:31

Could you clarify a couple of things?

Independent school do have to follow EYFS - who exactly told you they didn't? Also, the parts of independent schools following EYFS (ie up to and including Reception) are inspected by OFSTED - who told you otherwise?

Also, could you clarify the reference to DDA? Wetting in a 3 year old wouldn't usually be considered in these terms, unless it was part of a wider DX.

TeWihara · 16/11/2011 22:31

I am curious as to just how the uniform managed to add up to £400.

MumblingAndBloodyRagDoll · 16/11/2011 22:32

My DD went to a prep at that age and they were VERY unhelpful with those who still had accidents...including carrying one little boys wet things out in a carrier bag at arms length andhanding it to the poor mum with a Angry expression.

I would accept that even though you are angry, there's nothing you can do...private schools can do as they choose. As Trois says there are some properly crappy ones out there...there were some very dodgily handled things went on at my DDs prep too.

VivaLeBeaver · 16/11/2011 22:33

I think you have two choices.

You either withdraw him from that school, accept you'll have lost money and enrol him in a private nursery who are more flexible.

Or you take a couple of weeks off work and try to concentrate on the potty training again.

Why do you think he's having accidents at school but not at home? You say you don't remind him at home, so it's not a case of him not being reminded at school. Do you think he forgets as he's busy or do you think he's unhappy, stressed?

The school can't be made to take him if they won't accept him.

KatAndKit · 16/11/2011 22:33

Why would you be bothered about your child not being in that school anymore. It sounds like a good thing to be honest if they have excluded him for having an accident. Why on earth would you want him to stay somewhere like that? The child is well below compulsory school age so you have plenty of time to find him a nicer school. Perhaps a normal nursery or playgroup would be a more appropriate environment for him than being in a private school setting at such a young age?

FabbyChic · 16/11/2011 22:34

This is just too much pressure on a child, poor kid.

MumblingAndBloodyRagDoll · 16/11/2011 22:34

Te some schools have blazers that coust 50 pounds...coat the same...my DDs dresses were 30 each....then there's PE kit....even at 3!

VivaLeBeaver · 16/11/2011 22:35

Would you get any fees back?

troisgarcons · 16/11/2011 22:35

Well I can answer that one ...this is 10 years ago ... the blazer was £86, plus badge, plus cap £26 .... factor in shorts, ties, shirts, specific PE kits forall sports, all monogrammed, specific outdoor rain mac, specific outdoor coat. I think we were up and over £600 per child for uniform alone and that didnt factor in sports footwear and socks either - all monogrammed.

PomBearAtTheGatesOfDoom · 16/11/2011 22:35

What on earth are you thinking, sending a three year old to a "pre prep school"? pretentious twaddle, so he can "keep up with the Joneses"? Give the poor child a life and let him be a child before you worry about The Education. Find a childminder or nursery who will let him play and run about, and use the potty and be kind to him.