To think every SAHM, low hour PT worker and carer should read this?

[Peachy]

Well i am not but it matters to you so you must

here

Changes to system WRT worker hours

have a thread in chat and don;t want a debate, or at least won't participate iun one as petrified as we will now certianly lose our home and not up to taking flak. But if it affects you, you need to know.

oh AND I am not unlucky.
I might have a severely disabled child, I might be poor. but fucking hell, I am lucky compared to some of the people on this thread who might be well off, call them selves educated, but in reality are poor and as thick as shit.
at least I know what I am talking about.

Well look at the thread title - its bound to attract carer's

So dont know what the is for,

I am certainly not anti special needs. I'm for those who can helping themselves, have less (children) give more.

No, you are just against people supporting themselves on benefits, or claiming them if they dont need them.

Oh no, you do that.

dawndonna I do feel that members of our societ who actually need benefits should get them. However what I don't understand is why you continued to have children knowing that your first 2 were disabled and you couldn't support them? Correct me if I am making assumptions.

Why should she need to justify herself to you? Maybe those of us who have disabled children should be offered a sterilisation when our DC's receive a DX?

fatfleur phew, so in your weird world I must be ok
dd was my second child, (oh by the way I didn't choose to have a disabled child the doctor/MW who fucked up at the birth did that)
ahh but I don't help my self. but I do help you the tax payer(or your DH) as I save thousands each year by caring for her

Haha Void very good. However child benefit is not the same as relying on benefits when you could work. Any yes I'm very much against supporting yourself on benefits as you are not supporting yourself, we are

DD doesn't have to justify herself to me as I have said. I am interested, shoot me.

See sevenfold I am a bad one.
I had my DD after I had DS, because we didnt get his DX until after DD was born.
I am such a drain to society, with my carers allowance which falls way below the minimum wage.

Hmmm where do I stand then? Five kids. One in the middle with SN.

But one died and the one with SN is adopted.

Do I get a 'spare' for losing one and where do I stand with DS with SN as he didnt actually get a dx till he was 7.

Perhaps it doesnt seem quite so straight forward now?

Fatfleur - I apologise. I wrongly attributed one of Clossaintjacques comments to you. In my defence, I was trying to stop DS3 from flicking the keys of the laptop keyboard.

Alouisee - I do sometimes wonder if I am one of the unluckiest people in the world. In my darker moments. Then I pick myself up, dust myself off, and tell myself that tomorrow is another day - I've got to get lucky at some bloody point, haven't I?

Voidka terrible isn't it, maybe when woman get pregnant they should be getting a crystal ball.

sevenfold I don't know how you figure that out. Anyhow, I'll say it again. Only have children you can support. If having a disabled child is going to make you reliant on benefits don't go having more and more.

Sorry for your loss. ohdo

fatfleur can I, cos you really do talk crap

Then why take such a patronising tone? Maybe it just comes natural to you, hand in hand with smugness.

However child benefit is not the same as relying on benefits when you could work

No, claiming it when you dont need it, then preaching to those that claim is worse!

So if I don't agree with you i talk crap.

and twat of the year award goes to.................F

There we go again.

Assuming that those on benefits always will be and and always have been.

How ironic. All those cries of How Dare You at the merest hint that non working partners were not contributing to society. All that soothing and reassuring to get the thread back on topic.

Yet its perfectly fine to suggest that of parents who are not working outside the home yet are caring for children with disabilities are not contributing to society.

I cant think of a more important job myself.

Void, read the thread. I do need it. Any anyway why the hell should I give it to thoses who could work more or work at all and choose not to instead relying on benefits

btw Fatfleur -Did you join MN just for this debate?

Void, read the thread. I do need it

Then why have children if you cant support them?

Err ohdo you are putting words in my mouth. PARENTS WHO HAVE CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES SHOUL BE SUPPORTED BY THE STATE. Bloody hell, no issues with SN families getting the support they need.

So what happens if you are almost finished a degree course that will get you a very good wage, but within 6 weeks, your eldest dc is diagnosed with asd, you yourself are diagnosed with a disability that bars you from continuing with your degree course by law, your new baby that has just been born has ALSO been diagnosed with some of the disabilities he has AND your DP gets made redundant. In the space of 6 weeks, you go from being able to support yourself and your 3 dc, to becoming a family where the main wage earner is made redundant, the other adult is dxd with a disability, and two of the 3 dc that were already born were dxd with disabilities? That was 6 weeks in my life.

Euthanasia? Workhouse?

fatfleur Sun 13-Nov-11 22:53:33
sevenfold I don't know how you figure that out. Anyhow, I'll say it again. Only have children you can support. If having a disabled child is going to make you reliant on benefits don't go having more and more.

hmm you said it