To think every SAHM, low hour PT worker and carer should read this?

[Peachy]

Well i am not but it matters to you so you must

here

Changes to system WRT worker hours

have a thread in chat and don;t want a debate, or at least won't participate iun one as petrified as we will now certianly lose our home and not up to taking flak. But if it affects you, you need to know.

I think that if you are a sahp supported by a dh/dw then you are a little bit removed from this debate, but you can still have an opinion. I mean as a sahp you can still vote, and I think that that is right.

Why goodas? Is your brain removed when you are a SAHP?

I am supported by DH but he is equally supported by me.

This is NOT about SAHM. This is about a very particular, specific SAHM and I have no idea why anyone would say otherwise. There has been no 'SAHM opinions are unworthy' apart from the comments made by SAHM which is a bit confusing.

It is not helping those who will be affected by these changes to try and turn this into a SAHM debate. I dont give a flying toss what people do, where they work, if their OH's go out to work or if they do.

I care when people, whatever their working status, make ignorant and smug comments about people in my position or similar.

fatfleur why are you determined to hijack this thread in this way?

You have been assured several times that this is not an anti SAHP thread but you persist.

It isnt.

Look happens to be a SAHM. If you identify with her and agree with her then you will get the same response, but NOT because you are a SAHM.

No I don't want to hijack it but feel very strongly that I have a right to a say- SAHM or not.

Clossaintjacques - A 10% rise in YOUR tax does not leave you scrabbling about for rent money in the same way as it has done for NMW earners like me - our tax went up overnight from 10% to 20%, so also a 10% rise - but a rise that took ALL of my food money etc. Bet YOUR 10% tax rise didn't stop you from BUYING FOOD. Without Tax Credits for NMW workers - we DON'T BUY FOOD. Surely you can see that 50% of £150K still leaves you with waaaaay more money to spend on things than 80% of £11.8K?! If not, it makes me wonder HOW you manage to KEEP a job paying £150K.

Of course you do.

But that is not in dispute.

I know a family who very irresponsibly went on the have another child knowing that two were already disabled. The DC were in a road traffic accident. One was incapacitated in all four limbs and the other was severely brain-damaged. The mother was in the late stages of pregnancy and strangely at that awful time did not even think of terminating.

It can happen to any of us. The extension of the, "have children you can afford argument" is to say that every SAHM who has this viewpoint should have insurance policies worth the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pounds it would cost to "replace" themselves if need be given the long hours their husbands' work and the cost of PAID S.N nursing / care should their children become disabled too with no parent to do it for £52 per week. Actually it would run into millions with four children.

And if your child becomes terminally ill - again, it can happen and it has happened to posters here. I am sickened by the lack of empathy I've seen on this thread. Not so much as a, "I'm so sorry you went through this". Fucking terrible.

I am a bit bemused as to why anyone, finding themselves in a tax credit situation would risk further children? Surely, if you can't afford ONE without more than CB, you can't afford 2 or more. Twins obviously excepted.

WinterIsComing WTF i mean really WTF

Winter- nobody would expect the family to terminate, goes without saying.

WTF? Well, the was because I was assuming that some people on this thread would think that the poor lady terminating was being unreasonable. Sarcasm. Did you read the rest of the post?

not terminating

winter melodramtic?

Are the unluckiest people in the world and their friends congregating on this thread?

Between us we've covered every conceivable illness, disability, childhood trauma and general crisis.

The 10% tax rate was abolished by Labour, what a terrible thing to do. Hot the poorest terribly hard and should never have happened.

fatfleur do you want to hijack the thread to deflect away from the horrid cooments you have made to DD? Which have already been made by other posters (with the same shitty attitude as you) and deleted upthread. You have absolutely no idea of DD's circumstances.

You also said that benefits should be for those who are disabled and deserve it, so do you get to decide which disabled are deserving?

WinterIsComing I had a feeling I had misread your post, but by then it was too late.

No not exaggerated if that what's you mean.

Hit.

Alouisee well seeing as disabled people are the hardest hit by the cuts, surprise surprise people caring for them or they themselves are posting,

S'ok Seven, I thought I remembered you and a quick search - one of the good'uns

Alouisee but that was my point. Some of the luckiest people in the world can become vulnerable and in need in bloody SECONDS no matter how much tax they pay or how many hours they used to work or even, because they had a rapist for a stepfather at the age of four. Jesus Christ.

Over and out.

I did think that was the point of this thread. To inform those likely to be hit.

So hardly warranting a alouise

As it happens 'unlucky' doesnt cover it as far as I a concerned. It is a totally inadequate word for describing what happened to my DD.

Besides I dont see my family as unlucky. We have many thing to feel thankful for.

Hope that sets your mind at rest.

ooh I am famous:o
I do with the anti sn posters on here would realise that anyone could be hit by a car tomorrow and end up disabled.
even if you are well off, theses days you could loose all your money.
you could be poor, and have to go cap in hand to the state