To think every SAHM, low hour PT worker and carer should read this?

[Peachy]

Well i am not but it matters to you so you must

here

Changes to system WRT worker hours

have a thread in chat and don;t want a debate, or at least won't participate iun one as petrified as we will now certianly lose our home and not up to taking flak. But if it affects you, you need to know.

I will get a job when my child benefits are withdrawn and given to scroungers If you think about the amount of tax and NI we pay then the CB really is a refund a very small one

Err ohdo you are putting words in my mouth. PARENTS WHO HAVE CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES SHOUL BE SUPPORTED BY THE STATE. Bloody hell, no issues with SN families getting the support they need.

As long as they dont dare to have any more DC's

omg you really are funny

So we are agreed seven

If you qualify for 50% tax but are struggling, you really want to have a word with yourself, not moan about what others are getting. I can't see how someone is that situation would be able to organise their life enough to cope with pressures involved in juggling kids, childcare and a min wage job. Amazing thread.

If they can't afford them void of course not, thats just silly.

Who said anything about minimum wage?

fatfleur Sun 13-Nov-11 23:02:06
So we are agreed seven

oh you agree that you are funny?

Yes seven of course hun. here have ahug, you seem tense.

true, bigoted wankers always make me tense

Ahh don't let the truth get you down. Hugs.

But Fatfleur - The government no longer classed most dc with disabilities AS disabled. So therefore their carers WILL be subject to these sanctions. They no longer class most adults with disabilities as disabled. So therefore the disabled WILL be subject to these sanctions.

The government also seem totally unable to grasp simple mathematics - it costs the taxpayer MORE MONEY for a Lone parent with 2 or more dc to go out to work in a NMW job than it does to pay them income support. Because they will be paying up to 70% of their childcare, plus an amount of LHA to cover the rent in high rent areas, plus Child tax credits (or, in future, Universal Credits) to cover the costs of feeding themselves and their dc that is IMPOSSIBLE to cover on NMW. In fact, the earnings disregard is going to be on a sliding scale under Universal Credit, which will mean the government will be paying Universal Credits to MORE Lone parents than they are currently paying TC's to.

And yet some people are still STUPID enough to think that this will save the Government and the Taxpayer money. Did NONE of you that think this will save money not realise that the amount paid to a working Lone parent who works PT or FT is going to be MORE than is paid to someone who is a SAH Lone Parent that doesn't pay for childcare??

Hunty, thats really not on and I don't understand how the gov can do that, RE diabilities.

However, I am so fucked off with living in a society with a massive sense on entitlement. Oh i know I'll just pop another baby out and the goverment will pick up the tab.

I met my DH when he had nothing, just out of uni. He's worked bloody hard as have I to climb the ladder. Yet still here we are with not a lot to show for it. Whats the point in FE and working your arse off?

However, I am so fucked off with living in a society with a massive sense on entitlement. Oh i know I'll just pop another baby out and the goverment will pick up the tab

Yep, with your CB.

Void sour grapes taste shit

And here we are bringing up a load of work shy young people, when are things going to get better?

And here we are bringing up a load of work shy young people, when are things going to get better?

You might be, but I am not.

the only shit round here is the stuff you are spouting

Society void society. Its not all about you and your sour grapes love.

Have you been drinking??

Night hun, sleep well clean your teeth

Fatfleur, if you're both working with at least one wage high enough to qualify for the 50% tax bracket, why have you got very little to show for it? I am genuinely baffled. One of you must have a wage well in excess of the 50% band for you to really notice the difference of that extra 10%. I wouldn't think it relevant to the thread if your own financial position didn't seem to be strongly influencing your views on what others should be entitled to.

Wow we got all the way to this page before the popping out of babies commenced.

Fleur did any of your babies pop out?

Or is that a term reserved for the underclass?

You do realise that there is no magic bullet that will seek out the scroungers and faker and swerve those who are claiming through genuine need dont you?

None of the changes will leave those deemed as deserving unscathed. Its not how it works.

I cant speak for you but I am certainly not raising my young people to be workshy.

And one last thing before I go to sleep. Not that long ago, if a woman gave birth to a disabled child she was told to leave it in the hospital (to be raised at the state's expenses) and go home and 'try again'.

Try again to have some more children. Normal ones.

Maybe we should go back to those days? When people were more responsible and self reliant, less entitled etc.

It will hit the disabled the hardest, as they will find it the hardest to find anyone willing to employ them. It will hit carers the hardest as they will find it almost impossible to find work that fits around their caring responsibilities. It will hit Lone parents the hardest because there is NOT ENOUGH childcare, let alone affordable childcare, let alone childcare that fits in with the jobs that are available.

HOW will this affect those currently 'dossing' on JSA that haven't worked in years simply because they CBA?

And I am NOT bringing up a 'new load of work shy young people' - My dc have seen me work since my epilepsy diagnosis. At first, my Ex-P did agency work on the bin lorries Mon-Fri, and I started work at 6am on Sat morning in a petrol station. When my DS2 was only 9 weeks old, a mere 3 weeks after my diagnosis, a mere 3 weeks after my life imploded. I worked 16 hrs/ wk over Sat and Sun.

Then the bin lorries stopped using agency staff - so the Agency dropped my ex-P. I got a job working FT nights stacking shelves in a supermarket, 60 hours a week. Then I would do all the school runs and looking after the dc while my Ex-P went job hunting, dropping CV's off etc. That was the job I got sacked for time off sick and the seizure where I ruined a customers shoes mid-seizure.

My ex-p then chose that point to have a MH breakdown and leave me. I was unemployed for 2 years, then got a 22.5hr/wk job in a craft shop. Where I worked for 6 months, until I turned up at work one day to find the owner had done a moonlight flit. I recently found myself a job despite having a disability myself, caring for two disabled dc and having, at the time, a 7mo baby because my Ex-p had walked out again, leaving me an LP. My SN childminder gave me notice on MY FIRST DAY, so after 3 weeks, I had to give up as there was just NO childcare for my DD.

My dc have seen me try my damndest to work, against all odds, and ALL have ambitions. DD wants to become a chef (she is very good at cooking), DS1 is trying to get into Grammar School as he wants to be a Doctor - to be precise, he wants to be either a Neurologist or an Oncologist. DS2 wants to work with animals, he thinks, or maybe drive a train (but he is only 7yo).

I hardly think I have been a feckless role model for my dc. So .