To think every SAHM, low hour PT worker and carer should read this?

[Peachy]

Well i am not but it matters to you so you must

here

Changes to system WRT worker hours

have a thread in chat and don;t want a debate, or at least won't participate iun one as petrified as we will now certianly lose our home and not up to taking flak. But if it affects you, you need to know.

I have four disabled people in this family.
That saves the government around 183,000 p.a. @ £7.00 ph. That would not include food, heating, lighting or any extras. Trust me, nobody gets anywhere near that in benefits.

No one here has said anything other than that carers, disabled, elderly etc should be looked after. That is precisely what the welfare state should be spending most of it's resources on.

And if fewer people thought it was there right to be at home at 3pm for teens or to have four or five children whilst relying on it, there'd be far more money in the pot for the rightful recipients like yourselves. Sadly, until things are tightened up that isn't going to happen so if you want to get angry, get angry at those who think it's is their right to take when they could work full time.

usual correct, if I'm a SAHM then no, I don't work, obviously!

£7 per hour 126 hours per week 52 weeks per year is around £46k.

how come your answer is different?

So its ok for you to be home for your children then ,just not anybody else

I think it was my post to Peachy about why we should subsidise her and her family when her Dh is setting up a business. Not sure why that would be deleted.

Its ok to be at home with your children if you can afford it or if they or you are diabled/ill and can't work.

So look does your overwork OH have degenerative neurological disorder?

What makes you think that you work harder than me? You are a SAHM mother of 4 I am a working mother of (5) 4.

Are all your children under school age or something? Do you spend hour hand knitting their socks and hand sewing their underwear?

You dont really know what you are on about do you?

And yet you feel qualified to comment so freely.

funny how the ones with the wealthy husbands and who don't actually work themselves , often shout the loudest on these threads

Anyone who isnt working, however hard their OH works, is being subsidised by someone who does.

So my megre wages have gone towards the cost of Looks children being born and educated etc.

As I am nearly 45 I have been subsidising quite a few people for quite some time.

You are all very welcome by the way.

So its ok for you to be home for your children then ,just not anybody else

In an ideal world there would be rivers of public money that mean anybody who wanted to could SAH with their children, could.

Unfortunately , we live in the real, rather short of money UK world where that is simply impossible.

Choosing to SAH is a luxury. If you are in a partnership where one partner can earn enough so that the majority of your money is self earned and not from benefits, then of course you can choose to SAH!
If you can only SAH by being dependent wholly or predominantly, on other people working to support you then no,of course you shouldn't. Surely to god, that's not a radical idea, FFS!

Oh and look many, many congratulations on having a.a hard working, well paid OH and b.managing to avoid becomeing disabled, having a child with a disablity or losing a child.

You are a very clever girl.

"why we should subsidise her and her family when her Dh is setting up a business"

So you're not aware that grants and living support for people setting up businesses have been around for decades? Ditto enterprise zones, tax breaks, etc etc.

The govt reckons it's a good investment.

Wrong.

Private healthcare ( IM) and private education. And no, I don't work as hard as you at all. I don't actually work terribly hard at all because I don't have to. Which is why I'm perfectly happy for our taxes to support those who can't work but not those who won't.

*Oh and look many, many congratulations on having a.a hard working, well paid OH and b.managing to avoid becomeing disabled, having a child with a disablity or losing a child.

You are a very clever girl.*

You have no idea about my life, please don't make rudeandstupid assumptions.

pots and kettles

agree with usualsuspect re lookat

thank god you married your wealthy dh, look, and you didnt fall in love with the bin man who earns £20k, cos then you'd have to change your lofty views and live in the real world

lets hope you always stay married and things continue in your bubble just as they are, you don't sound like you could adapt to a change in circumstances very well

I married him when he was a student living on cornflakes and we spent the first three years of married life in a cramped bedsit sandwiched between a drug addict and an escort!

I'd have happily married him whatever he was. And I've adapted to changes in circumstances many many times over the years, thanks.

Making assumptions just makes an ass out of U!

You seem to have made an awful lot of assumptions on this thread yourself

!!!!!!!!!!!!!! here chuck a few more of these in

I'm off you are boring me now

so I'm the only one making assumptions, am I?

sure, if you say so

We need to make cuts or increase taxation.

Businesses will fight higher taxes, as they already do by avoiding tax in some cases. I suspect they will also be pissed off if the NMW is increased and more than a few businesses will lay people off.
Rich people don't think it's fair to be taxed any more, and will move out of the country if taxation is increased any further.
Middle of the road earners are struggling too.
Working poor can't afford to pay more tax, nor do without their TC's to survive.
Poor not working can't find jobs to pay tax (for various reasons), and can't live on much less than they are already on.

Where exactly should we make these cuts? Who should we expect to pay more tax or receive less govt support?

It is typical that no matter what the situation they are in, everyone has justifications why they shouldn't be the ones who are expected to cut back or pay more taxes. Yet something has to be done.

Can anyone really afford more? Very few people on this thread have said they can afford more tax, or are prepared to have more funding cuts, unless it doesn't affect them personally!!

So basically, we are all out to look out for ourselves, and sod you jack.

I guess that's human nature...let someone else feel the pain, so long as you're alright.

Lookat - where were those teachers and doctors trained then? At some special private university and private teaching hospital that I have never heard of?

No they were trained at great cost and then went private to teach your DCS.
So you met your husband when he was a student did you?

Did he go to university in this country? If so and he is 45 or younger that means you met your OH when I was helping to pay for his very heavily subsidised education.

Using cliched soundbites to try and dig yourself out of a whole doesnt just make an ass out of you. It makes you seem rather desperate too.

You found my post rude did you? Your snarky comments about having it hard because you didnt have the luxury of being paid to leave the house at 4.30 were polite were they?

Because, as I said, there are four disabled people here, each would, if under the state, require seperate care workers.

BTW the whole rudeandstupid strike out thing seems pretty redundant.

How odd you feel the need to make use of the passive agressive strike out when you have said far worse without resorting to it.

I dont think its in lookat's nature to apolgize, even though she should.

Hole, not whole.

But then I didnt got to university so I must be a bit fick innit?