To think every SAHM, low hour PT worker and carer should read this?

[Peachy]

Well i am not but it matters to you so you must

here

Changes to system WRT worker hours

have a thread in chat and don;t want a debate, or at least won't participate iun one as petrified as we will now certianly lose our home and not up to taking flak. But if it affects you, you need to know.

Dawndonna has a PhD in History. Marie Stopes was at the forefront of the UK Eugenics movement.

Really DD? Easy to look up I suppose if doubted and how nice to learn something new, however horrifying and challenging to previous beliefs

Rather an insult to the huge majority of women who have taken control of their own fertility.

Can anyone tell me how £6.09 an hour is a wage that anyone can live off without subsidies? I defy anyone to pay all their housing costs, food bills, utilities, clothing, and travel to work out of £6.09 an hour. Even if they have NO children. Even people working FT on Minimum wage were entitled to WTC - because WTC was just a way for employers to pay a wage that does not even cover life's BASIC expenses - a home, food, clothing. Now we have the removal of benefits enabling low paid workers to have the BASICS in life, without employers being willing to pay a living wage to their employees.

It's the employers wanting to get their work done for less than it costs to LIVE in this country that are to blame. It's places like the Far East that far undercut us on manufacturing and production costs that are to blame - we CANNOT compete, and before anyone jumps in saying that employers would all leave if forced to pay a decent wage - well, that leaves a bit of a predicament, doesn't it?

We want people to work for less than it takes to LIVE in this country - without making sure that they HAVE enough to LIVE in this country.

Maybe at some point all the moaning poor will die off without state help, and then the rich will have to do those LOW PAID JOBS...Because there is no-one left alive to do them. So you will have to take your own rubbish down the tip, clear up your doubly incontinent relative because there are no more care home workers, and sweep the street yourself...

She only promoted birth control in poor areas, although she wanted the working classes to have some children because she wanted them for child labour. Other than that she was anti poor people reproducing. She sent love poems to Hitler and on her death left her money to the Eugenics Society. Delightful woman!

Its not a drop in the ocean actually

vodaphone alone 6 billion

Interesting DD, i suppose like many scientists what she actually discovered was rather different from what she set put to prove.

There are situations in which I would abort, I dont think it makes me a eugenicist though.

Dubai isn't all it's cracked up to be. Built & run on slave labour. Even those stupid man-made islands are falling apart.

Marie Stope argued for "racial purification"

Ms Stopes sounds, um, lovely...

I think it was her charity in London which gave me a pregnancy test in the late eighties when I was a teenager. They were very unpleasant.

*Hate the bloody Tories. Who the hell voted for them anyway?

Oh Yeah,

No one.*

How did they get into power, then? Are they so Evil they rigged the ballots?

If you look at a vote map of uk, England is predominantly blue. Scotland and Wales lead in red seats. I'm amazed that more Tories don't admit to it on MN

big chunk of the welfare bill is actually pensioners...

Yes they are and yes they did

Did you not read my post? People, especially young people, wanted to give the LibDems a chance. It backfired.

I voted Labour reluctantly as the lesser of many evils but they had created such an apathetic voting base that most of the people who were benefiting from generous welfare didn't bother to vote because they thought it would last forever. I'm speaking of all the lone parents (I was one until recently) and never-worked jobless men with multiple children who just did not consider that voting actually mattered.

This thread has put me off my dinner.

Some people clearly have no empathy.

Actually its a coalition ...oh really

Euthanasia?

Not much point in pumping people full of heart attack preventers if they slowly succumb to dementure. (is that how you spell it?)

Excellent point, KalSkirata.

My local paper has a great campaign going r.e winter fuel allowance and charity asking all the baby boomers who use it for skiing spends / live most of the year in Spain to consider donating it to the fuel-poor elderly. I don't know what'll come of it but it's nice to have a mention of this "benefit" in the face of all the cuts.

the emphathy bypass goes in both directions.

people paying benefits dont care about prople receiving them

people receiving benefits dont care about people paying for them

I'm not receiving any benefits ,but I do care about people receiving them

I DO care about the people paying benefits - Which is WHY I want to work, albeit PT. Does only being medically fit for PT work make me not care about other people that pay taxes? Or is that a load of condescending twaddle spouted by someone who thinks anyone poor is unworthy, be they workers or not?

I personally have no problem with abortion. I think it is the individuals right to choose.
Marie Stopes however, would have had my kids put down at birth. Along with Jewish children, 'slow' children as she put it. etc.

Today we honour those that fought & died for us 11/11/11
Is this how we honour those that have fought & survived?
www.metro.co.uk/news/881136-married-couple-driven-to-commit-suicide-by-utter-poverty
Is this the future that those who are rubbing their hands with glee envisage?

I read that story and was very sad about it purple - and it IS the thin end of the wedge. It will get worse.

So much for those that fought during their todays for all our tomorrows.

Have just done some sums.

One person working 37 hours at minimum wage earns £224.96 per week. After tax that's £199.12 - £10,354.24 per year - £862.85 per month.

I can't find a reliable average estimate of costs, but the lowest priced one bedroom flats/houses on rightmove in my county + 40 mile radius are £320-375. Bedsits for around £175-200. Most of the flats say no DSS - don't know what this would change to if benefits ceased to exist, probably "Professionals only" (which a lot of them say already).