to be completely shocked and disgusted at the leaflet I've just been given by my mw???

[mummylovesnancy]

This leaflet, titled 'Raised BMI in Pregnancy' was passed on to me by my midwife at my booking in appointment yesterday. Along with the words 'You can't have a home birth, you probably won't deliver naturally and you'll be given consultant led care.'
I'm 28, I have 2 PERFECTLY healthy children who both have perfect height to weight ratios, eat well, are active and are generally normal children. I weigh 13st and I'm 5'2 which puts me in the 'obese' catagory according to the good ol' BMI index of wonder. I have been roughly this weight and exactly this height for all of my adult life. I am overweight, I accept that, but what I don't accept is being told to read this sodding leaflet which tells me, among various other little pearlers, that:
*I will have raised blood pressure. (Not 'I may', 'I WILL')
*I will be prone to urinary tract infections. (never had one in my life!)
*'Bigger Ladies' (exact wordage) get more blood clots. (Dumb Fuck)
*Examinations will be difficult. (Why? Because you have to part all my layers of fat to get to my vag?! How fucking degrading)
*I will have restricted mobilisation. (Will I? Because I don't now, will it automatically come with being fat and preggers?)
*Putting in a drip will be difficult. (yeah because my hands are so freaking chubby.)
*Breastfeeding will be challenging (I've managed it with two babies, now because you've changed your guidelines I think I might struggle.)
And my favourite one yet:
*The risk of stillbirth or your baby dying in the first 28 days is increased in 'larger ladies' (Thanks for that one, nhs, I just had a misscarriage 8 weeks ago. Was it because I'm fat?)

It also mentions on about 7 occasions that I may want an epidural. Is that to keep me quiet?! It also offers to refer me to a dietician and a counsellor.

I have been overweight (or a larger or bigger lady, as the nhs prefers) and given birth naturally twice with absolutely no complications and one of them was a home birth. I can't believe I have to read all this shit. The idiot who wrote this doesn't even know how to place an apostrophe or comma ffs!

Does anyone agree with me that this is a disgusting, degrading, scare mongering piece of shit or am I being an unreasonable pregnant wreck??

I didn't say anybody was soulless. I described an approach to eating as soulless. It's not the same as saying someone's greedy.

All this self control and lack of enjoyment and idea that food shouldn't be a pleasure because poor Victorians didn't have access to decent food sounds hideous.

I haven't seen any factually correct rebuttals. The science of nutrition is up in the air. What we do know for certain is that weight loss through calorie deprivation leads to bingeing and weight gain. But it's being promoted all over this thread.

And my original point was that we need to focus on healthy enjoyable eating and exercise not weight at all. I haven't noticed anybody conceding that.

'Someone tell Cote about the French Revolution when they cut off their King's head for the want of bread. It was the staple of the peasant diet. I bet it tasted good too.'

They cut off his head for a number of reasons, and the bread wasn't the white sawdust people actually call bread these days.

Nope, once again, you can pile you plate as high as you want with as many calorific foods as you want. He's quite clear about that. You could eat a pound of walnuts for lunch and you'd be following the diet. So it's not low calorie.

I was narrowing the point to demonstrate the peasant diet, EG, but thanks for the history lesson anyway.

No of course it wasn't the white rubbish that we see today. Did you think I thought that the peasants were revolting for a slice of Kingsmill? Maybe you did.

I described an approach to eating as soulless

Just one of your many straw men arguments - which, by the way, are now well into double figures.
I have never seen anyone fail so completely in presenting a coherent and persuasive argument.
You are posturing Thunders - which would be fine if you had something to add to the debate other than "everyone's dietary habits are crap except mine."

Never said it was low calorie, said it was calorie control.

Look up sensory specific satiety and you 'll see why this diet is calorie control.

Telling someone no snacks, no seconds, no sweets is calorie control.

Do a medline search and use satiety and snacks and portion sizes and you will see what I mean.

Why are you spending so much time and effort on this thread thunder?

Love the odd slice of Kingsmill with butter and pate

Yum.

Not too often like, gotta watch my figure

Because there's nothing on the telly Soupy. Why are you here?

Doesn't look the same to me. Calorie control requires counting calories.

www.caloriecontrol.org/

Kingsmill is disgusting.

I am 5'6 and weighed 9 stone 10. It was a physio.

Found it, was curious.
You've been on it since the beginning virtually, which is the best part of two days.
Lot of effort on your part I think.
Are you doing some research of here to educate the masses?
Am genuinely interested.

Calorie control doesn't require counting calories. Not in the ,

If you ban eating patterns (seconds, snacks) or food (sweets) for any appreciable amount of time, you are controlling calorie intake

Anyway I don't think anybody will be able to understand my argument because you all appear to be obsessed with size and weight and don't want to let that go for whatever reason. Too much invested I guess.

Me I'll continue to enjoy food instead. It's more fun.

I was a size 10-12 and wore sample size clothes from designers.
She said my thighs were too big, I could do with losing half a stone or so, and it was to blame for my back problem.
She was whippet thin and looked like she could use a steak and a shag, tbh.

Hey, I like food, I am a great cook, and I have a blog with recipes and so on.

Was joking thunder

I prefer a nice crusty french baguette, or some decent sourdough or good quality wholegrain.

Can't do "plastic" bread myself but appreciate that it has its uses.

The French Women Don't Get Fat book is great for people who want to reconnect with the joy of eating and physical equilibrium.

Thunder I'm not obsessed with size or weight. Why do you consider it something that you have to let go.

Can I ask and (of course you can say no), what size are you?

I would love to know simply because you are 1)clearly happy with yourself and 2) eat what you like when you like and I don't know anybody else who says this.

I'm really intrigued.

I think people should think about their weight in terms of whether it's within some sort of reasonable range, such as clothes available in mainstream clothing shops. If you are below a size 8 or above a size 18 you probably need to do something. If not, it's probably not worth fussing too much unless you are particularly vain.

I do think if more people thought like thunder does, there would be a lot less unhappiness.

Maybe not greater health overall, but certainly less anguish about body size

Me I'll continue to enjoy food instead. It's more fun.

Meaning that I don't enjoy food? Hmm yeah ok.

Boffin, anyone who says something like "your thighs are too big" is clearly deranged. Everyone has proportions you can't control - loosing weight doesn't alter those much. If you've got big thighs, you've got big thighs. If you've got big boobs, you've got big boobs. And there is NOTHING wrong with having bigger thighs. Body shape nonsense like that annoys me. I think you are right about the steak and a shag.

I disagree with the dress size thing though - if you are very short and petite then below size 8 isn't necessarily bad - its a misconception. If you are taller it is an issue. And vice versa. Its more about proportion.

"Me, I'll continue to enjoy food it's more fun"

Really, like nobody else on here enjoys their food.

Seriously thunder get over yourself

"Someone tell Cote about the French Revolution"

Cote lives in France and has rather intimate knowledge of French food and French people's eating habits, you... err... clever and pleasant person

If all you now about French cuisine is that there was a shortage of bread in Paris during the time of Marie-Antoinette, no wonder you think it is based on carbohydrates.

Who knows what your "knowledge" of nutrition is based on. Everyone should listen to their bodies and eat whatever they feel like, because "nature loves us" and "she" wants us to have fun eating. Okay then...

Cote it is pointless trying to have a reasonable discussion.

What thunder says is right and the only way.

Any deviations from thunders way is WRONG WRONG WRONG and none of us enjoy food and we all have ishoos

French food is not high carb thunder (lovely french husband and MIL so not quite as knowledgeable as cote but am working on it)

Remember Cote 'nature loves us'

I'm just amused you kept on trying for so long. Has been most entertaining.