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AIBU?

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AIBU? DIL says I am

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EmmaInADilemma · 28/10/2011 10:25

Bit of background first. I'm retired, mediocre pension but I do a little bit of part time work. I own my own house outright. I'm comfortable but not particularly flush with money in the bank.

I have two sons, mid 30's. One is married, both DS and DIL have reasonable jobs, mortgaged to the hilt and their one DGS is at primary school. I help out where I can. I can do some of the wrap round care. I baby sit when asked, which is infrequently as they rarely go out as they don't have the spare cash for a hectic social life. The nature of my PT job allows me to have DGS most of the holidays thus avoiding expensive clubs. They rarely go on holiday certainly never abroad on expensive holidays. DGS isn't materially spoilt because a they cant afford it and b they just aren't the sort of people to indulge in must have gadgets cell phones or consoles

My other son is in a relationship. Not married. She has two from a previous relationship which my son treats as his own and I treat them as my own GC. They have a further three DC together. Neither of them work. She's never worked and I can't remember the last time he worked with any regularity. So they are both home to do school drop and pick up. They call in and out of my house several times a week either with or without the children. If Im going into town I will call and see if DIL wants to meet me for coffee etc. We have a good relationship. These GDC do have every conceivable gadget going. Even the 7yo has a blackberry. They think nothing of taking the DGC out of school and going abroad to get cheap flights and accomodation. They know the offer of babysitting is there if they need it and the younger ones do come over in the holidays too.

So. Christmas is coming. I asked DIL what the children wanted this year and that I was thinking of buying other DGC a laptop as a one off special present. I know DS and his DIL just couldn't afford something like that. So she said along the lines of thats nice but it will be expensive buying 6 laptops. I said that wasn't what I meant and her DC have all the gadgets and I certainly couldnt afford a present bill of nearly £2,000 and she had to be sensible about what I could afford.

Then the resentment came out. I favoured one DGC over the other five (I don't) that I do more for my other son and DIL than I do for them, that I pander and babysit at the drop of hat and it was all awfully unfair. I was shocked. I never knew she harboured all this. If the boot was on the other foot and she worked I would be picking up her DC from school and having them in the holidays. If they were strapped for cash I would try to help out where I could. But the simple fact is, they aren't and have quite an affluent lifestyle in comparison and don't need my help as much.

I really dont think I was being unfair or exercising favouritism by buying one child, who has very little, something nice when all his cousins already have the same thing (and more).

AIBU?

OP posts:
Dawndonna · 28/10/2011 17:22

Everybody knows someone with a big TV. So what?

Pink Thanks for the comments on ADHD and Aspergers etc. Perhaps you should try looking into some of the co-morbids, oh, and if you need a job, ATOS are looking. As for your husband and the amount of people claiming sn. My brother is a barrister, he works for and with those people with sn. You should know that it is looked into pretty carefully.
Those with AS in particular are easily manipulated and can get into difficult and sometimes illegal situations without even realising it, but you don't want to know that do you, if they're on benefits and whining about sn, they should know better, that's what you're saying.
Oh, and I have a 37' t.v. I'm on benefits. It took me a year to save up for a television that my partially deaf daughter could hear, and we wanted one big enough that we could all see when dd was in her wheelchair. Sorry, I'm such a scrounger.

grovel · 28/10/2011 17:23

I don't like big TVs. They're vulgar. Hope this helps the debate. And as for Florida....................plebsville.

grovel · 28/10/2011 17:25

Dawn, my post was tongue-in-cheek. Would not have posted it if I knew it was going to appear below your's.

Dawndonna · 28/10/2011 17:26

[hgrin]
grovel

pink4ever · 28/10/2011 17:47

dawndonna-again perhaps read all my comments and not just selectively pick and choose eh? Yes I know there are people who genuinely have developtment/learning/social disorders-my son may be one of them-who may have a genuine need for help. There are many others who dont or who play on it to meet their own ends. I have seen this with my own eyes.

No I dont wish to claim benefits thanks-if my son gets a sn diagnosis then I probably could apply for something but whats the point? The culture of the welfare state is coming to an end.

thunderboltsandlightning · 28/10/2011 17:50

According to the OP all the other grandchildren have laptops. So she's right in a way, they don't need them.

EmmaInADilemma · 28/10/2011 17:56

It was me who said my son was bone idle. Maybe an exaggeration. Hes a do it tomorrow person. Even before he met DIL he wasn't very keen on work. Terrible time keeper. Its a shame he wasnt a girl because his forte is with children. Hes a very good father and does a lot of things with all of them. Hes also the one who does the primary school reading. Ideally he'd have made a wonderful nursery nurse but people looked at men in that sort of job with suspicion 20 years ago.

DIL has no confidence in her own abilities out side of the home. Shes a traditional girl who puts family first including her own mother. If Ive made them sound feckless then I apologise. Without justifying anything shes the one who checks on neighbours and runs errands.

Anyway I like the idea of buying myself a new laptop and slipping this one over to DGS. So thank you to the poster who suggested that. Probably the best solution.

To the poster who said about buying things when they are needed is also correct. For my 14yo DGS (he is mine) I was thinking about a moped 2nd hand for when he starts college. The others would get the same as and when they needed something.

OP posts:
EmmaInADilemma · 28/10/2011 17:58

14yo GDS = I treat him as mine

OP posts:
Dawndonna · 28/10/2011 18:00

Pink lucky you, you're in a position to choose. Who would get up in the night to change dds sheets when needed. Perhaps I should get a full time job, but who would pick the kids up when they are in a pickle. Who would wash and dress dh, lift him out of bed and to the lavatory when needed? I get six hours sleep if I'm lucky, and that's broken. Get off your sanctimonious high horse, some people do not have the choices that you have. I didn't choose for my husband to suffer in the way that he does, nor did I choose to have children with special needs, and to be honest, I wouldn't change any of them, even if I could.

pink4ever · 28/10/2011 18:04

dawn-I am lucky in that I have a dc with a possible sn,I am lucky in that I have what some on here would class as a disability myself,I am lucky that my dh works horrendous hours to try and make ends meet?. No dawn I am not lucky-I just dont expect anyone else to owe me a living.

I am sorry if your family are in genuine need but lets not pretend that there are plenty who are just at it eh?

FanjoForTheMuahahammaries · 28/10/2011 18:12

"i don't expect anyone to owe me a living so I dont claim benefits"

so others who have disabilities or kids with SN and claim are "expecting people to owe them a living"?

Nice.

ColdToast · 28/10/2011 18:13

Oh the irony that near the top of the Active Conversations page is a stickied thread about helping families with disabled children - with this thread just a little way below it.

BOOareHaunting · 28/10/2011 18:18

Have only read page 1 tbh but my solution would be a laptop per household. OK the 5DC's have to share but it's split equal per family.

It's a hard one and I think either wau of looking at the argument has it's pro and cons. It sounds like financially your DS with the 5DC's has more money but if DIL is disabled and 2 of the children are then they have difficulties in other areas.

HeresTheScaryThingBooyhoo · 28/10/2011 18:40

only catching up with this thread now but fanjo i'm with you 100%. can't believe the stubborn ignorance displayed by some posters. some people just dont want to know the right way of things. far happier getting all red in the face over something they think is happening. and they say ignorance is bliss eh?

HeresTheScaryThingBooyhoo · 28/10/2011 18:44

"Its a shame he wasnt a girl because his forte is with children."

WTAF??? so only women should be good with children? this is almost as stupid as that other thread where the man couldn't understand why he was at home with his children because he wasn't a woman or gay!!

FabbyChic · 28/10/2011 18:48

Why not buy the whole family a pc for christmas and nothing else? You can get decent for £500.00.

troisgarcons · 28/10/2011 18:50

@ HeresTheScaryThingBooyhoo

Christ on a bike even I can read that post properly

Its a shame he wasnt a girl because his forte is with children. Hes a very good father and does a lot of things with all of them. Hes also the one who does the primary school reading. Ideally he'd have made a wonderful nursery nurse but people looked at men in that sort of job with suspicion 20 years ago.

rhondajean · 28/10/2011 18:58

I see this has descended into a bunfight so I am just going to ignore all that and wade in with my POV.

I have two children; they are young but I make a particular point of NOT treating them the same. They have different needs at different times.

On a larger social scale, there are two ways to look at equality.

Equal inputs which result in inequal outcomes.
Inequal inputs which result in equal(er) outcomes.

Ie, everyone should get the same because thats fair; or people should get what they need so they all end up with the same.

So, Id buy the laptop, and Id buy the other 5 what they need, which isnt gadgets from whats been said.

As an aside - how awful iof your DIL to assume out loud that her children - including the 2 which arent even related to you - get exactly the same! I love buying presents but the assumption that someone is going to get something drives me berserk. Im sure she is, as you say just there, a nice person with low self esteem, but that really got my heckles up.

rhondajean · 28/10/2011 19:05

Oh and just to be clear, I dont give a hoot about who is on benefits and who isnt, Im just thinking about what all the children have and what they might need.

HeresTheScaryThingBooyhoo · 28/10/2011 19:09

yeah i read the same post you did trois. as if a nursery nurse is the only thing that gets you involved with children. and why should he have to be a nursery nurse just because his forte is with children? what is so wrong with him being a brilliant father? no-one bats an eyelid when women choose to be SAHM's. no-one says tehy should go and be a nursery nurse if they like children. "it's a shame he wasn't a girl" my arse.

pranma · 28/10/2011 19:11

I have 9 dgc/dsgc and try to treat them equally but if one family seems more hard up than another then that's the one I help most financially.Re: presents at Christmas I try to make them all the same...but...presents can be bought at any time and that is no one's business but yours.I'd say that you could spend £20 to £30 per child at Christmas and buy the laptop for dgs now.

Dawndonna · 28/10/2011 19:19

Now there's interesting. The sarcasm about being lucky having a disability and a child with sn. But only applied to your own situation, demonstrating a distinct lack of empathy.
Oh, and by the way, the DWP figures show that fraud AND internal error amounts to 0.5% with regard to DLA.
Try not to tar everyone with the same brush, I am aware that it's hard for you, because you said if you are genuine. Nah, I'm a figment of your imagination. How rude.
Anyway, got to dash, taking the family off to the workhouse.

KreepyInMind · 28/10/2011 19:20

Sounds like the tax payer is already paying out for your son and his girlfriends kids to have enough gadgets

ssd · 28/10/2011 19:43

op, you sound great, I like the sound of you!

HeresTheScaryThingBooyhoo · 28/10/2011 19:46

kreepy if this was a family whose parents worked and recieved WTC and the childcare element which meant that the tax they paid out was exceeded by the amount of tax credits they received would you be begrudging them any gadgets they were able to afford?

is it a benefit basher or disability basher that you are?