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to find pistonheads view of mumsnet funny!

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Beaverfeaver · 26/10/2011 15:34

So it seems that the guys over on pistonheads are laughing at mumsnetters:

Feel free to see what they are saying here:

www.pistonheads.co.uk/GASSING/topic.asp?h=0&f=210&t=1069058&mid=0&nmt=Mumsnet

OP posts:
CatherineMacauley · 26/10/2011 17:57

Two threads? Really?
Would that included be the one in which women shared their stories of sexual assault and very many of them admitted that hadn't reported it because they were fearful of not being believed? The very same one that then was bombarded with messages from various individuals contending that women lie about rape all the time and that this is a more important concern for society than the fact that 1 in 9 women are raped in their lifetime.
Wold you be also referring to a thread in which a poster asked if she was unusual in only just understanding that she had been assaulted numerous times since she was made to feel by her parents and school that this was normal behaviour and not to be tolerated. In this thread one of the first comments was: "but your breast size isn't that big" (she said her breasts had been the object of abuse) and another questioned whether she had really been assaulted.
I have never seen a thread in which Mnetters have said that all men are rapists. I have seen this accusation thrown though, whenever anyone says that rapists are at fault for raping and should be punished; or states that women who are raped are not to blame. This bald moral statement seems to offend some people most terribly. It is hard to think why unless they think that rapists shouldn't be punished and that women should always be blamed for being raped.

CatherineMacauley · 26/10/2011 18:00

And SGM's Mumsnet campaign is great, btw. Threads like the ones I just mentioned just show how necessary it is.

MrGin · 26/10/2011 18:01

no it wouldn't Catherine. please stop making assumptions.

There was a second thread titled along the same lines of 'are all men rapists'

MrGin · 26/10/2011 18:04

... as well as threads I've seen in the past like ' all men are bastards, official'

The point is that there is a sexist element to MN just as there is on the car forums, just in the other direction.

StewieGriffinsMom · 26/10/2011 18:08

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CatherineMacauley · 26/10/2011 18:09

You state the thread asks if all men are potential rapists. Do you understand the concept of "potential" here and how that is different from actually being one? If not I would like you to consider the fact that all women are potential mothers you know, but not all are. Or all people are potential robbers and murderers (since all robbery and murder is committed by humans), but not all are. It's a powerful word "potential" you might like to add it to your vocabularly list for your upcoming GCSE mock exams

MonstrouslyNarkyPuffin · 26/10/2011 18:11

That section really should not be linked to.

They actually said

'I don't think all men are potential rapists, in the mask/dark.knife/stranger sense. However, I am starting to think that all men are capable of the 'date rape' school of rapist'

Then listed the personal experiences that have made them start to wonder if this is the case.

StewieGriffinsMom · 26/10/2011 18:13

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MonstrouslyNarkyPuffin · 26/10/2011 18:19

Good move.

diddl · 26/10/2011 18:21

I got as far as the first post.
"I wonder if Musnet talk about us in the same way?"

Have I missed something?

Have we heard of them Do we talk about them?

MrGin · 26/10/2011 18:23

Catherine, saying all women are potential mothers has a slightly different tone to saying all men are potential rapists.

Clearly you don't see this. And thus revert to insults. It really doesn't surprise me. It's school yard stuff.

aliceliddell · 26/10/2011 18:23

It is, sadly, self-evidently the case that all men are capable of rape. They are raised in a culture where rape is fairly commonplace and is carried out by normal, average men. The question is whether or not any individual man chooses to rape. There is no logical difference between saying this and saying that all women are potential shoplifters. There is a big political difference though, which is why people get upset by it.

aliceliddell · 26/10/2011 18:26

My last post was X posted

squeakyfreakytoy · 26/10/2011 18:34

Suggesting to a woman that she might be a shoplifter because all women have the potential for it... and then suggesting to a man that he might be a rapist, because all men have the potential for it are two completely different things.

How about saying all women are potential child abusers? Its true, but I doubt many women would like that being said to them either.

MrGin · 26/10/2011 18:38

All men and women are potentially capable of murder. We are raised in a culture where murder is carried out by normal, average people... etc etc etc

I've yet to see a thread, nor do I expect to see one, asking ' Are all mothers potential murderers ? '

It's sexist in a very self satisfied way, and is exactly the kind of woolly logic that keeps the hyenas over at Pistonheads happy to call MN a bunch of loons.

chibi · 26/10/2011 18:38

Well of course

everyone knows that all rape is done by 2 guys, and they are really really busy!

You'lll recognise them easily, Kevin has fangs, and Barry has a swastika tattooed on his forehead

FFS

MonstrouslyNarkyPuffin · 26/10/2011 18:41

Yes. A very helpful poster on the PistonHeads thread actually pointed out that he didn't know any rapists!

MrGin · 26/10/2011 18:42

and your point is chibi ?

chibi · 26/10/2011 18:42

i mean just fancy suggesting normal men might rape

Kevin and Barry are nobody's sons, workmates, friends or partners

The very idea!

MrGin · 26/10/2011 18:44

I'm sorry but you've gone off on a tangent. Who is arguing against it being 'normal' men being rapists ?

It's a massive leap to then posit that all men are capable of rape.

Whatmeworry · 26/10/2011 18:45

It is, sadly, self-evidently the case that all men are capable of rape. They are raised in a culture where rape is fairly commonplace and is carried out by normal, average men. The question is whether or not any individual man chooses to rape. There is no logical difference between saying this and saying that all women are potential shoplifters. There is a big political difference though, which is why people get upset by it

It's not politics that makes people upset about this, it's the seriousness and wrongness of the accusation that makes people upset.

LadyEvilEyes · 26/10/2011 18:47

I've looked at the link, they really don't get Mumsnet at all.
I remember a while ago someone sent a link to a mountain bike forum that mentioned MN, it was all very good natured with lots of ribbing on both sides and genuinely funny.
Pistonheads is not funny, just rather mean spirited.

chibi · 26/10/2011 18:48

how silly Mr Gin! If normal men could be a rapists, why, there'd be no way to tell beforehand

You might as well say any man might be a rapist! You couldn't be sure til it happened to you!

luckily for us all, Kevin has those fangs, and Barry his tattoo

Phew!

MonstrouslyNarkyPuffin · 26/10/2011 18:49

I don't think they are. But that particular poster was starting to question if all men were capeable of date rape as she and most of her friends had been victims of it. She wanted to discuss the way she was feeling away from people who would use twist her words and call her a man hater.

MrGin · 26/10/2011 18:53

You're not making much sense chibi or reading my posts. And to be honest I'm not surprised. You're just repeating the mantra in rather a juvenile fashion.

Of course rapists appear to be just normal people, much like murderers, child molesters, fraudsters etc.

If you want to hate men, it's your business, if you want to dress sexism up as feminism it's your loss.