Pornography

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An ex boyfriend put on a porn DVD. I was so enraged I finished with him.

It seemed to me, that this young mixed up girl (looked like she was about 17 or 18 to me) was being taken advantage of, and had been manipulated into it. I could not believe that this girl would want a gang bang, with the finale being three men ejaculating on her face. Euugh.

I found it misogynistic and exploitative. I'm not a prudish nutcase usually.

A bit of titillation in Mags lads has never bothered me, neither have lap dancing clubs. It was the power over woman I hated, in this DVD. It focused on the women's face and body, but not his.

Am I being unreasonable to think that pornography is exploitative to women, and hating how women are portrayed in hardcore porn?

Before you go judging me for watching this cr*p, it was about ten years ago. I ask this question now, as one of my friends said that she'd binned her boyfriends DVD stash, when she moved in with him.

OP's last comment about being only 18 when she saw this porn is interesting. Now all sorts of porn is literally only a click away on the internet/mobile phones so it is being seen by younger & younger kids who at that age as the OP said don't have any context to it & won't understand or even heard of concepts such as feminism, misogyny, ethicial porn, sex trafficking, etc It's not difficult to see that they can absorb a view of what sex is about which is very disturbing, as the women are often being portrayed as being exploited/treated badly (the titles of free porn video clips are appallingly misogynistic, as this somehow seems to make them more appealing). Young people are not going to think "oh, that's ok as some people have a kink for that kind of thing". But that is a whole other debate about regulating porn I guess.

MrSpoc, your remark was inappropriate in this situation - I think you realise that now. In a group of friends who knew you well - perhaps, but not with strangers.

oohlaalaa, he wasn't saying you had both at once. Just that you'd mentioned a b/f and DH so his assumption that you were heterosexual wasn't unreasonable.

StewieGriffinsMom, heterosexually is the default - get over it.

That doesn't mean to say there is anything wrong with homosexuality. Anyone who has read my posts knows which side I'm on, but the majority of people you meet will be heterosexual

To get back to the point this nonsense that you can tell by looking at a porn film that she is being raped is simply that - nonsense.

Don't any of you own TVs or go to see films. People do things in them that are not true. Think Eastenders if it helps. Those people on there when they shout at each other are not angry. They are actors.

Yes it's possible to rape someone and film them, but to start from that assumption displays a poor grasp of reality.

I didn't even get onto my opinion of the dangers of porn on children. I'm quite concerned that young boys are expecting their future girlfriends to be like porn stars. That they evaluation all women on bust size.

Adults can watch all the porn they want. It's no one else's business, but we do have a problem with developing minds being exposed to it. Something has to be done about that.

Going back to your OP: Women are portrayed like "that" in porn films, because they AGREE to it. maypole (the pornograpy expert) says these women earn half a million a year; surely with that much money they could choose NOT to be portrayed as sex slaves or whatever. They know what turns men on, and they know what makes money. The women are the ones driving the sex industry, and they make those films knowing full well what they're doing. They WANT to be exploited.

I don't see why women are being portrayed as victims of the porn industry. They're anything but.

I get what you're trying to say about rape, Onagar, but I would turn that around to say how can you know she isn't being raped? Just the idea that it's a possibility makes me uneasy and, let's face it, Porn is largely a joyless representation of people putting things into orifices. You can't really tell what anyone is actually 'feeling', so it's impossible to guess.

I also don't get the comparison with acting. These people aren't acting, they are actually having sex - Violence is acted in films and on TV without anyone getting hurt and sex scenes occur without anyone actually having sex. Just as the sex is for real in porn, so too is the pain. You simply can't have some things done to you that routinely happen in porn without there being a pain element and, as you rightly said, you don't know how consensual it is, so why risk watching something that could be a violent rape?

I would say, MrBloom, that women wanting to be exploited is a little bit of a contradiction in terms is it not?

Also, Women are running the sex industry? Seriously?

Lifeissweet I'll tell you a secret which might damage my image with the other men around here. :) I don't actually like porn which portrays people being nasty to each other. I don't even like them calling each other names. I prefer porn (mostly don't bother with it since I met my DP) that looks like the people involved could be having fun.

But lots of people are not like me. Some of them would do things like that without being paid. I remember that people used to film themselves doing things and post them - no money involved there.

So I think the default assumption must be that it's voluntary (in some cases you can look up their names and careers) I know what you mean about it being more than acting, but think about reality TV and sports where you can watch someone die in a racing car or punch someone senseless in a boxing match.

Now as for society influencing people to make them more likely to volunteer that is another matter. I don't think that is as big a problem as some do, but that IS a valid point.

The porn industry is one of the most lucrative in the world it brings in nearly 100 billion dollars a year. Big corporate companies like those run by Rupert Murdoch are raking in the profits getting richer and richer. The average age for a child to first see porn is 11 years old as porn is so easily available. The porn industry is run by extremely manipulative powerful and very rich elitist men who really do not give a damn about women, men or children they just want to make a massive profit. In the mean time std's and abortion rise in young adults.

onagar - I didn't think that she was being raped. She just looked very young and vulnerable, and I was concerned that she'd been coerced into it.

Google Shelley Lubben, you will see it's not unreasonable to be concerned for the women involved.

www.shelleylubben.com/pornstars

If someone is being coerced into sex, that's rape. Particularly when there's a group of men doing it.

Vom at Onagar sharing what kind of porn he likes. Interesting that apparently it makes you less of a man these days not to want to watch women being savagely abused in the name of sexual entertainment

Onagar is a man? I never knew that.

Oh dear I trod in thunderboltsandlightning's vomit. Has anyone got a bucket for her?

Yeah I briefly called myself grandad-onagar to avoid any doubt(it says it on my profile) but it sounded silly and mostly I don't post on things where it matters.