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AIBU to have just realised that I have been sexual assaulted many times

518 replies

PippiLongBottom · 23/10/2011 22:37

I had extremely large breasts as a young teen. I was a 30DD at 13 and my size 8 hour glass figure was very popular with the boys Hmm.

At 19 I had my breasts reduced on the NHS because my head was fucked.

It is only with many years of hindsight (I am 36) thanks to Mumsnet and a recently developed feminist perspective that I realise that all the 'incidents' that happened to me were sexual assaults/grooming and not my fault.

I have fb'd one of the cuntslprits tonight.

OP posts:
PippiLongBottom · 27/10/2011 08:58

I'm fine, thank you for your concern Parsley and everyone else. I just felt I didn't have much more to add now really.

OP posts:
PosiesOfPoison · 27/10/2011 09:35

If you look at that recent Vogue shoot (french Vogue)here you will see that what spiderlegs is alluding to is spot on. You can see where she's coming from.

I have rather beautiful children, who doesn't?, my oldest DS is told as often as my DD that he's gorgeous. He's been scouted to model. But it means much more to my dd, she much more preoccupied with her looks. And ds isn't only told he's gorgeous, it's never the first thing.

PosiesOfPoison · 27/10/2011 09:39

and here

FearfulYank · 27/10/2011 09:51

That fucking Vogue spread. And apparently the only reason I have issue with it is because I'm a puritanical American... Hmm

WallowedInFlies · 27/10/2011 10:09

awful isn't it? just so blatant. but yeah, we're the ones being weird to mind it Confused

quietlyafraid · 27/10/2011 10:16

I'm a 30E and size 4/6 (I'm very petite). Doesn't sound big, but trust me, it is and there is no way to hide it, even in baggy unflattering t-shirts and jumpers.

When I was 14 / 15 I struggled to find a bra that fit me (basically because they didn't make them at the time) which really didn't help - try constantly falling out. I got numerous comments and hassle from boys but was able to handle myself. More than a few guys didn't know what hit them when they tried it on. I remember giving one boy a good right hook in the dinner queue. He never bothered me after that. And I was a tom boy...

But the irony of it, was the comments and reactions that hurt and bothered me the most were not from men, but from other women. Catty remarks and insults. False accusations of how much of a whore I was. Plenty of jealously. I never felt as if I was 'allowed' to be feminine even if I wanted to be. It made me hate the way I looked even more.

It lead to me deliberately hiding my figure as a teenager and having low self confidence.

I think my point is, that it isn't just men that are the problem. Its men who have tended to stick up for me and 'protect' me when I've had issues. Its women who have criticised the way I dress and made me feel as if its 'my' fault when something has happened. The attitude of women has helped to make it 'acceptable' for the men to behave inappropriately in certain circumstance.

I think that it is society's problem - not just a male issue. It is wrong to simply blame it on men and there are other things going on too. And certainly in terms of making a woman hate her body and take the drastic action of having surgery.

WallowedInFlies · 27/10/2011 11:10

so when a male chooses to grope a female child it is actually a woman's fault? righto.

PosiesOfPoison · 27/10/2011 11:15

Women are much more competitive than men, or certainly jealous, but there are fabulous theories about this.

quietlyafraid · 27/10/2011 11:46

WallowedInFlies are you telling me that I'm a liar or didn't experience this? I offered a point of view from a different perspective. It is as valid as any other opinion. No need for the 'righto' attitude. Please do not devalue the experiences in my life that have had a profound effect on me.

When a boy decides to grope a girl there are social pressures going on from BOTH males and females. I definitely experienced girls saying it was acceptable because I was a slut and provoked it purely from hanging out with boys. My best male friends were not the offenders and were the ones who supported me.

I don't believe the attitudes and behaviour of children come from nowhere. I think it does come from both sides of the fence to a degree. I don't think that men (or boys) do things in isolation from the influence of women (or girls) in this country in this day and age or even when I was a kid.

windsorTides · 27/10/2011 12:54

I understand exactly what you mean QuietlyAfraid. This thread alone (and lots of others just lately) demonstrates that women actively contribute to the problem. If we ever get to a stage where no woman utters a rape myth or calls other women the names that you were called, then we could say that the problem is with men alone. Lots of women collude with victim blaming and in the process, tacitly support men's choice to assault 'other' women. I've been disgusted at the behaviour and comments from women about rape and assault. over the past week or so and it makes me despair.

KouklaWhooooo · 27/10/2011 13:34

I think women are very capable of blaming the victim - but surely the man doing the groping is responsible for his own behaviour?

I mean perhaps blame society/education etc for turning a blind eye to casual sexual assaults, but to blame it on other women's jealousy, and the fact that women are complicit in victim-blaming is a bit wrong imo. That is all part of the victim-blaming culture, but does it cause the assault in the first place?

Sometimes I just feel that there is nothing that isn't blamed on the woman - be it victim or bystander - when it is the man doing the assault.

windsorTides · 27/10/2011 13:46

The only person responsible for a crime is the criminal.

But we'll never get to the point where society puts the blame where it's deserved while there are people of both sexes who blame women for the assaults suffered, or the unwanted attention they receive.

quietlyafraid · 27/10/2011 14:38

Its attitudes around the offender that will influence whether they will do something repeatedly. They ARE to blame for criminal action, but when the victim is unsupported and receives emotional abuse from others as a direct result from the crime it doesn't help the victim either report it, or cope with it either. One may be a more serious crime and but the other isn't completely innocent either if they are aware of what is happening. Both have a significant impact on the victim's state of mind. Neither is acceptable.

And we are talking about children here - they may be of the age where they understand the difference between right and wrong, but they are hugely influenced by peer pressure and whether they think they will be punished for their actions or not. If the abuser thinks he is getting a more positive reaction, rather than a negative one to what he is doing from others - he IS more likely to do it again. If you've got a bunch of girls laughing and saying someone deserves it, that giving the abuser a certain message. These girls knew damn well what they were doing. If we want to take the legal angle - Just because they didn't have the knife in their hands when the murder was committed doesn't mean they aren't guilty of conspiracy to murder and take actions to cover it up.

Nothing exists within isolation, and I really do thing it is important that in cases of sexual assault to acknowledge that the system, culture and support a victim gets have a profound effect on how they go forward in life in the long term. Thats especially true in schools.

I was made to feel worthless because of something I couldn't help and shouldn't have to justify - my body and who I socialised with. In my case, and I'm not saying this is the same in anyone else situation, - the actions of others, had as damaging effect, if not more, on me. This was because instead of the people i felt would be best understand the wrongs of it - other girls - turned against me. It was bullying; abuse can be mental OR physical and both have long term consequences. They very actively supported the physical abuse with mental abuse.

It gave me no where to turn to and left me isolated. I couldn't confide in anyone and I didn't have anyone to back me up. If my peers reacted in this way, would you expect anyone in a role of authority to respect you anymore? Not when you are 14 you wouldn't. You attach so much more importance to what other people say at that age because you want to fit in and you want to be popular.

Alwayshome · 27/10/2011 15:58

When I was assaulted, the responsibility lay wholly with the attacker. When others shunned me and implied I was complicit, that was mental abuse and was by far the more painful.

Confidence destroyed, self worth zero, I was easy target for those who get pleasure from manipulating and controlling. Abusive relationship hell.

My confidence and self worth were shaky to start with, each episode of bullying, intimidation, harassment and unwanted attention led to more self doubt, there just had to be something wrong with me if only I could work out what it was.

Sometimes the agressors were men or boys, more often, for me, they were women and girls - my attacker was a 21 year old woman, my mother hit me more than anyone, the only people who ever pinged my bra strap were 11 year old girls. And i don't say that to diminish the horror of assaults that men commit towards women, just that no gender has the monopoly on cruelty, violence and humiliation.

And that's the point really it can't be only about telling young girls to stand up for themselves and boys that it's wrong to sexually harass women, although that's important. How do we show all children that hurting others is wrong? By treating ourselves and them with respect? By trying to understand ourselves better? Am still thinking through these things, thanks to all the posters for helping out with that ongoing project!

Coming to terms with the victimisation was only half the story, I know what it feels like to belittle and humiliate others too - it's not nice. Hurt people hurt people.

I was really lucky to meet many other people, my husband included, who just don't have the need to objectify and abuse others. Life is good now, although I am constantly taken aback by the negative gender stereotyping I meet regarding my young son - from both men and women. Am seeing things from a whole new perspective!

Good luck to everyone who shared their stories.

MillyR · 27/10/2011 16:31

I have only read the first 5 pages of this thread.

OP (if you are still here), I think yours is a very normal reaction to sexual assault. Many women who have experienced it will convince themselves that it wasn't really assault or that they deserved it in some way. So I don't think that you are unreasonable at all for only realising it now.

I also think that it is quite common to realise it as a consequence of reading responses to other people's experiences. We are often much more rational and kinder when responding to other people than we are when looking at ourselves.

I also think that when people have a negative response to another woman talking about being sexual assaulted, it can be because they are trying to bury their own experiences, so please don't take some of the negative responses you have received on this thread to heart. Retelling your experiences here will help some other women, but for some of those women, it may take years for them to face up to what has happened to them.

what2eatwhenurbored · 10/11/2011 02:57

Dear OP, just found this post when searching for support groups for parenting for survivors of sexual abuse. I'm horrified at the response you've had in general. I don't have much to add to the last few posts, which were sensitive and v clued up except that I'm glad you've been able to see what happened to you when you were a young girl in a true light and to apportion the blame and no longer 'normalise' it as you did at the time.

Even thought there were so many negative and aggressive responses I'm glad this post exists as sexual abuse/assault thrives on secrecy and ignorance so it's good to get the subject out there, even if just one person learns something new and changes their attitude, it's worth it.

I hope that as Mums and Mums-to-be we can afford adult survivors of abuse the same respect and without judgement as we would a child in our care as either way it's another human reporting something painful and difficult for the 1st time...a brave and life changing step.

JugglingWithGoldandMyrhh · 14/11/2011 13:43

I've only read the first page but am already kinda wishing you hadn't posted in AIBU. You need some support - and lots of it - after what you've been through.

Sadly I think many women have been treated badly at some point in their lives.
Absolutely doesn't mean that things shouldn't change though.

JugglingWithGoldandMyrhh · 14/11/2011 15:04

Hope for one thing that my DD grows up with a modest bust like I did as perhaps it may protect her slightly from some of the everyday hassle/abuse suffered by those with bigger busts.
Sad, sad world Sad

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