To think this is incitement to rape

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And you should all be emailing, jumping up and down and generally making a fuss please?

www.chargrilled.co.uk/t-shirts/No-plus-Rohypnol-equals-yes-t-shirt.m

pulls up a chair while the 'silly-wimmin-getting-their-knickers-in-a-twist' brigade turn up mob-handed for a ruck.... sigh.

No one here has said that it would cause "non-rapists" into rapists.

I'm not sure I'm getting your point here...

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"Is it your belief, then, that reading that T-shirt would cause non-rapists to be come rapists? If so, then your world experience is different to mine."

No.

But it is my belief, that a victim of rape reading that T shirt, might be triggered to have a panic attack and it may well ruin her fucking night out.

But I expect that's not your experience so don't trouble yourself about it. It's not important enough for anyone who is not experiencing that, to give a shit.

""silly, yes, bad taste, yes, offensive, yes, treating a serious problem lightly, yes""

No good enough for you :(

Sorry

Really the law manages to jail two idiots who didn't manage to cause non rioters to become rioters because they posted on Facebook.

You don't have to actually make someone do something, to be found guilty of incitement.

pigletjohn I got you this enjoy it!

Well your'e not are you, because you still don't get it. And to be honest with you PJ, I am disinclined to engage as you are missing the point, and it is not my desire to spar with you about something you feel so flippant about on MN. It feels alot like you are fucking about, and I don't find it funny. So you can be obtuse and obstructive about it, but shame on the individual who fails to see it for what it is.

I don't think they can entirely blame the designer when they have a section of the website named "offensive t-shirts" and so are actively promoting things they believe will offend someone.

And, at the bottom of that page, they have a large advertising link to another company (the delightfully named 'jamrags') which is in turn selling a t-shirt promoting gang rape.

A false apology is worse than no apology.

PigletJohn - that t-shirt might not promote a man to rape someone. Even the pathetic shitty excuse of a man wearing the t-shirt might feel that actual rape was a step to far.

But to an actual rapist or a person who has been raped, that t-shirt may be a validation that rape is a subject to be joked about and treated lightly.

One of the links here is to a blog that has some very wise words to say on the matter.

Well John, I believe we do have a different understanding.

Incitement is also encouraging and persuading someone to commit a crime which I believe this T shirt does. Ofcourse it's not going to magically turn someone into a rapist but by saying

"Hey, She said no to sex but if you drug her you can still get what you want. Go on, Rape her"

That can be viewed as incitement.

The defence to incitement would be that it was not intended.

It may be a public order offence if someone wore one in public. I just can't imagine what sort of fuckwit would [confued]

On a similar note, there has been something in the news today about a Facebook page called "You know she's playing hard to get when you're chasing her down an alleyway"

Victim support groups have asked for the page to be removed but Facebook have so far refused.

How come those 2 boys who failed to start a riot, didn't use that as their defence? Were their lawyers particularly incompetent, or were they just victims of the post riot judicial vengeance gig? Or did they use a different defence?

PigletJohn - the single biggest thing that can be done to prevent rape is to ensure that there is a culture of absolute revulsion about it - so that everyone knows it is wrong to have sex with a woman without her freely-given consent, wrong to have sex with a woman who is incapable of giving consent because she is under the influence of alchohol or drugs, to give a woman alchohol or drugs in order to render her incapable so that you can have sex with her.

This t-shirt does the exact opposite of that. It feeds into a culture that thinks rape is a joke, funny, something to be taken lightly. It gives the impression that maybe having sex with a woman whom you've drugged with rohypnol isn't really rape. The t-shirt shows a huge lack of respect for women and for their right to respect and to decide who they want to have sex with. On its own, this t-shirt isn't going to make a man into a rapist - but if enough of these 'jokes' are allowed into the public arena, and are not challenged, then it will encourage a culture of 'rape is OK, rape is no big deal'.

Do you really want your mother, sister, wife, daughter, female friends walking around in a culture that thinks rape is something funny or lighthearted? Do you want to run the risk of them meeting a man who has taken on board the message that rape isn't really that serious, that it's OK to sexually assault a woman or rape her or drug her?

Well done. That t-shirt has been removed from their stock list.

Rape is called, correctly, "second only to murder".

Who would wear the T-shirt which was current a few years ago which said HANG IAN HUNTLEY?

He is banged up and not many people have the chance to do that, although one got twenty-to-life last week for trying: so who would wear one which said HANG CHARLIE SHINER?

Or are they both incitement to murder?

Fermit You mean the one that mentions rape, and perhaps the PEEDO one?

The one about MN - well, that is fair enough. That's part of the rather coarse free exchange of ideas!

To be fair to PigletJohn, he was only answering the question posed in the OP... I'll play Devil's advocaat and say that if the OP said "Do you think that this t-shirt is an affront to rape victims and that we should all pile in and get it pulled?" PigletJohn would have probably agreed.