Muslim children and dress at school

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I volunteered on Friday at my child's school (about 50% Muslim) and actually got quite upset at how restrictive the clothes were that a lot of the girl children were sent to school dressed in. It was a really hot day and most of the Muslim girls had on a really tight headscarf, covering their chin and most of their forehead and long sleeves. About half of them also had a long shift thing that came to the floor. They looked hot and uncomfortable and weren't able to join in the other children's games as they couldn't run/climb in the clothes they had on. I asked the class teacher and she said that they couldn't enforce the uniform policy if there were religious objections. Is this true? Can't they insist on health and safety grounds? Some of these little kids just looked miserable as they were so hot and the one who was trying to climb the spiders web and kept getting caught up in her long robe about broke my heart. Is there a real religious why under 10yr old children have to be covered at all times? It seems so unfair and horrible for the children. And sexist.

Riveninabingle that's fine don't integrate but then don't bully the population into adapting you and your ways

I have no issue with people wanting to go round with just their eyes showing as long as no ones being forced but they must understand in the populations work places it wont be tolerated and we mont be paying for them to be on the dole because they won't conform in the work place

They should do what the Jewish coummity do set up and pay for their own schools and not bully heads to accept non uniform

[picks self up from floor at smoking admission] I was just challenging you Riven, I didn't know for sure. But when you advertise and proclaim to the world how you live by virtue of a certain set of beliefs, it backfires when you don't actually do it. Perhaps that, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with religion in particular Islam.

Modest headscarf worn with porn heels, tight jeans and a face full of make up.
Modest women and men fucking every "white slag" they can before settling for a pure sister.....
Wearing a veil for your maker on one day and then no Muslim attire at all the next, it makes the 'for my maker' stuff nonsense.

It's those sorts of hypocrisies that make religion far more about convenience, excuses, segregation etc than any path toward God.

Riven it was your choice to not want to integrate into particular communities. Some people have no choice of whether they do or they don't. They are coerced or pressurised into thinking they're doing what a good Muslim should be doing.

Everyone should have a chance to make their own decisions.

ThePosieParker - lets not mention the temporary marriages you can get
When suites

maypole1 Tue 04-Oct-11 19:00:19
nailak wacky jobs what like police women, Surgeon, fire women, ambulance crew, pe teacher well wacky Jobs arnt they

muslim women can and do do those jobs? in fact it is preferable that some do. i know a pe teacher that lives and works in barbados and does her job in hijab.

i do not wear a veil.

at the end of the day it is about personal choice and how i feel,

pp i didnt say most of the professionals i come across are muslims, i meant that in all the professional places i attend at least one worker is muslim and covered, representative of the community i live in in newham where a lare part of the female population choose to attire themsleves this way.

i am comfortable in the clothin i wear and as an insider i feel that when i talk i at first people may jude me for dress, but after initial meetin they no loner do so.

anyway i was respondin to a post that asked for my experiences, so i relayed them, it may not have been in the most eloquent manner but it was sincere.

Men fucking 'every white slag'?
I don't see that happening very often in the Muslim community. I know quite a few (men and women) who've married 'white' though.

I don't know anything about temporary marriages either.

I'm sure there are Muslim men as well as men from almost every ethnic background on the planet who sleep around.

and my whole point is that when women in abayah are allowed to interate they do and are active in the community and well educated, and contribute to the community. this occurs in area where people are acceptin of difference in dress codes and cultural and reliious differences, such as newham where i live.

no one blinked an eyelid when they saw the reception teacher in abaya, noone suested she is seperatin herself from society or not interatin.

i cant understand this concept of "they must understand in our work places it wont be torelated" as if you come to newham you will see it is, and there is no problems with it. women wearin abaya are in every job, if it is health and safety issue such as police they dnt wear abaya but still wear hijab, if it is in retail they wear company shirt over abaya, if in office wear formal blazer over abaya, there is no issues, if it is like this here why cant it be the same everywhere?

nailak not in the uk though ay

I be the first to eat my hat when I see a police women with her uniform and then a shift over the top or when I see a surgeon in the operating theatre with her black shift and head scarf on in the nhs

Re temporary marriages

Nikāḥ al-Mutʿah (Arabic: نكاح المتعة‎ "pleasure marriage"), is a fixed-term marriage in Shi'a Islam. The duration of this type of marriage is fixed at its inception and is then automatically dissolved upon completion of its term. The marriage is contractual and is subject to renewal. Financial payments may be made between the couple, usually with the male paying the female known as mahr or dower.

Nikāḥ al-Mutʿah (Arabic: نكاح المتعة‎ "pleasure marriage"), is a fixed-term marriage in Shi'a Islam. The duration of this type of marriage is fixed at its inception and is then automatically dissolved upon completion of its term. The marriage is contractual and is subject to renewal. Financial payments may be made between the couple, usually with the male paying the female known as mahr or dower.

what percentae of muslims in the uk follow shia islam, since we are only talkin about uk?

nailak so why have we had serval cases were people have tried to take employers and schools to court over wearing what they want when the uniform code was clearly laid down

and there are exceptions in islam, to allow woman to be sureons, police men etc.

I'm not Shi'a Muslim so don't know about this. I wonder how widely it's practiced? I can't imagine many Muslim women/parents being happy about temporay marriages.

I think it's shameful schools tolerate this. So afraid of being called racist or sectarian so little girls can just get on with this medieval practice - misogyny is fine apparently.

Dd1's school has a high proportion of Pakistani Muslim pupils but the girls all wear the uniform, sometimes with headscarf, and have to take part ^in the full range of activities.

because the employers were intolerant?

like i said take a trip to newham and you will see it is perfectly possible, try stratford westfield! if none makes it a bi deal then it is not.

Why are girls wearing head scafs when school uniforms up and down the country clearly says no head wear

Why are Muslim fathers girls being allowed to flout the rules

YANBU. It's the patriarchal elephant in the room.

Our school is about 40pc muslim and hijab and leggings are specified in the uniform policy and doesnt look that uncomfy. The school uniform shop sells these in school colours and parents all buy the school ones.

SwimLittleFish I have been informed by my mate at work this practiced by young dating muslims I sure we can call guess why

Nalik so its intolerant to set out uniform rules and expect any one who gose for a job or to your school to follow that code or go else were

Sorry but outside the Muslim coummity I doubt this dress is as well received as you might think

Don't automatically blame the fathers for this. Although I do believe it's a misogynistic political practice, many women who take up the hijab are very passionate about pushing it onto their daughters.

Is your mate Iranian maypole?

I don't see why school uniforms can't include head scarfs. I don't think that they are a huge issue personally. My old school simply required it to be navy blue, but I imagine that if a school wanted it could be also be patterned like the tie or school blouse. I think that there was also a more shalwa kameez type option (might just have been navy trousers under the skirt). I don't like uniforms at all though.

If the clothes are not restrictive or have H&S issues then I really don't think it's anyone elses business particularly. I just object to restricting girls from a feminist point of view.

swim patriarchy is frequently supported and 'enforced' by women. That's how deeply ingrained it is.

I saw the temporary marriage thing on a documentary about prostitution in Iran. It did definitely happen.

temporary marriage is a shia thing only and has been about since the start of islam. It was to save men from sin whilst they were off traveling away from their families. They can take a temporary wife so they can have sex but as it is a "wife" they are shagging it is not a sin. For the women involved it is just another form of prostitution.