to be totally fucked off with the antisahm comments on here?

[slackers]

Wtaf are you only a good role model to your DC if you are in paid employment?
Why does someone only be valid in society if they earn?
Why should I work only to pay someone else do a job to look after my DC? wtaf is the logic in that?
ffs

I don't think this thread bears any relation to real life.

It's ridiculous. And doesn't address any real life issues which leave women on the back foot - ie; the cost of childcare.

I am on tenterhooks waiting to see if DD3 has a place at a subsidised nursery. It would mean a great deal to my economic fortunes if she gets a place. If she doesn't, we will really struggle.

This thread is a load of bollocks really.

Wordfactory: absolutely

NormanTebbit. I agree. But I've been on so many threads about the cost of childcare in the UK, I now feel a bit tired of stating my opinion about subsidised childcare.

the post by "signothetimes Tue 27-Sep-11 11:39:18" really touched me

your mum sounds lovely, sign, and you sound like a great daughter

"But I do think that juggling work and family successfully can be no bad thing for a child to witness. Certainly seeing an adult derive pleasure and satisfaction from their work whilst still adoring their DC must be a good thing no? It must make it seems so very doable. Natural perhaps."

Not must, wordfactory, but may. Or equally, may not. I know plenty of women in RL who want more than anything to be there for their children and home because when they grew up their mother was permanently frazzled or absent, due to work.

Perhaps some people derive pleasure and satisfaction from their work without being frazzled. And actually being at home and not working drives some people frazzled. Its probably more to do with temperament, coping capacity, and a million other things than whether one happens to work or not

Bonsoir I would say those frazzled paretnts then were not juggling work and family successfully...and that's the point.

Well, I have two close girlfriends who think that they have a perfect balance - amazing careers (ie they think they are amazing) and amazing family life. They feel very successful. But am not entirely sure their children feel the same way!

don absolutely.

I have been beyond annoyed and frustrated today...which has had nothing to do with my work (of which I have done none) and has had everything to do with a sick DS, a tired DD, a puppy with a broken leg, a leaking dishwasher and constant power cuts that keep bloody resetting my alarm system. Aaaaagggghhhh.

Ah well, the secret is to bring up ones own children to be happy and well adjusted and not to spend time obsessing about the welfare of anyone elses. And for all you know those other mothers might look at your child and think the same thing! If you are comfortable with your own decisions and way of life, you usually trust that others are comfortable with theirs.

I have double checked and it is MY child I will be dumping in a day orphanage and not anyone elses, so as far as I can tell no one else gets to have an opinion. Nor am I obligated to stay at home looking after anyone elses child so I don't need to have an opinion on that either.

Lovely :) - I shall carry on doing exactly what suits me and not giving a monkeys fig about what anyone else thinks of my choices or giving a moments thought to anyones elses choices.

I often think this strategy is one of the reasons I am a happy person.

Well quite don the trouble with supposedly close friends who you judge as sadly lacking, is that behind your back they may be finding you equally inferior.

What on earth is unusual about dissecting the choices of one's entourage. You would have to be greatly lacking in curiosity not to do so...

Pmsl

If you know your own choices on the whole are better for women, children and the cause of women (ie working and having a famly) then it behoves one to trumpet that cause at every opportunity.

How the hell can YOU know what is best for "women, children and the cause of women"

You actually believe you know what is best for every woman in this country.

You really are a nutter Xenia

Bonsoir that is one of the best attempts I've ever seen to defend being bitchy...but it's still bullshit

Bonsoir is only making a comment about something she has observed. Lots of others have done exactly the same.

Shes making a comment about what she THINKS is going on in the heads of other peoples children!! Thats hardly an observation. More like an unhealthy obsession with other peoples life choices

See I have close friends and they all have very different lives and ways of running their families...and of course it's interesting and diversity makes the world go around.

But by and large I think they're pretty cool. I don't secretly think horrrible things about them...cos then they...er...wouldn't be close frinds would they?

If Xenia says it, then it must be true ladies, come on, you must know this by now. And if you are still not sure, she will continue to say it.

Oh gosh yes, I am the most frazzled sahm on earth. Still, my only chance at going back to work is probably a job at Esselunga, therefore, I'd rather do my own things.

Anyway, the majority of my friends work more or less full time. Their children are happy, or at least don't seem to come from a different planet than mine.

Seroiously Xenia. If having it all means spending a large proportion of your life trolling the internet for reaction and telling other people what they should do you can keep it. They are not the actions of a happy, contented person.

Well the thing is..............I just don't care enough about other people to spend my time worrying about what they do with their lives, and I have certainly never worried what other people think of my life.

As my children are bloody perfect I know I am doing 100% the right thing! Ha ha! So, the rest of you watch and learn.

Bugger! Got to run. Those bastards in the white coats are after me again. No! Nooooooo.....