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to be totally fucked off with the antisahm comments on here?

987 replies

slackers · 23/09/2011 19:25

Wtaf are you only a good role model to your DC if you are in paid employment?
Why does someone only be valid in society if they earn?
Why should I work only to pay someone else do a job to look after my DC? wtaf is the logic in that?
ffs

Angry
OP posts:
Bonsoir · 27/09/2011 13:31

I find the increasingly rare occasions when I am at home alone with the vacuum cleaner and the washing machine for company quite relaxing these days.

SexualHarrassmentPandaPop · 27/09/2011 13:33

It's not a completely different context at all - it's exactly the same! I think maybe you are only sensitive to the one that offends you. A mother who works full time may say 'I work full time' and I may say 'I'm a full-time mum'. Yet we both work full time and are both mums full time. Why can one be offensive but not the other?

floosiemcwoosie · 27/09/2011 13:34

Well they dont answer back, create mess, hog the tv or make an increasing list of demands, do they Bonsoir

although I do feel a bit sad that you have left out the iron Smile

Bonsoir · 27/09/2011 13:36

No indeed, they are available 24/7, do a lot of work efficiently and quickly with minimal input from me and never complain. What's not to find relaxing?

I don't have the same feelings about my iron, which requires far too much micro-management for my liking Wink

floosiemcwoosie · 27/09/2011 13:38

Bloody irons

Francagoestohollywood · 27/09/2011 13:44

Oh no Floosie, being grandparents - at least judging from MN - puts you in even worse positions than being whom/sahm

Because if you are a grandparent, you can even be a (whispers) MIL!

minxofmancunia · 27/09/2011 13:44

If you are a mum, you are a mum ALL THE TIME it doesn't stop regardless of where you are whether at home or at work. If you give up paid employment you're technically not in paid employment, that's the difference

floosiemcwoosie · 27/09/2011 13:47

I was driving my DS to school this morning and out of the blue he stated " I think its time you went back to work"!

Do you think he has been on MNS?

Miggsie · 27/09/2011 13:47

I think Xenia is so involved with her career she finds it utterly baffling that anyone should choose to be a SAHM because she just wouldn't do it herself.

I worked as I dislike housework and I'm rotten with pre-school kids (I also have a well paid job and subsidised childcare via my employer- lucky me), however the smartest person I know is a SAHM, her IQ is off the scale, but she is a SAHM because she thinks having a career is a bit shit and she really wanted to be with her child full time. She'd probably think Xenia was mad to want to work.

Wanting to spend lots of time with children is not a function of intelligence, it is a function of personality and temperament.

floosiemcwoosie · 27/09/2011 13:48

Damn I was looking forward to being a grandparent. However i still relish the idea of becoming the MIL!

SexualHarrassmentPandaPop · 27/09/2011 13:53

Yes but people don't say they are 'in full time paid employment' do they? They say they 'work full time'. That implies that sahm's don't work full time as much as saying you are a full-time mum implies that working mums aren't.

Yellowstone · 27/09/2011 13:56

I meant that if DD decided to opt out of what by any standards is a fairly pressurized career to be a SAHM, that would be fine by me.

Not that she should leave university and never try her hand at a job.

signothetimes · 27/09/2011 14:01

minx not quite sure why you think I'm being sexist in describing my experience growing up. My post was to explain how my upbringing was, and how having the experience of having my mum SAH did not prevent me from having or developing a work ethic. My dad was not 'at home' when my mum went to work, he was simply home earlier than she was i.e. for me and my brother getting home, and it was a miserable home when that happened. Prior to that, my dad worked abord for long periods at a time, so my experience, my upbringing, relates solely to having my mum there for me. Had my dad been around more, or had he been the sort of dad who took an interest, I've no doubt my experience once my mum went back to work would not have been the miserable, bleak one it was. This was my experience I was talking about, not a generalisation about others.

My point was, being at home with your children does not mean your children won't have a clue about how the world works, or that they will fail to develop a 'work ethic'. I've not been at home 'full time' since my DD was 9 mths old, and she still hasn't a clue about how the world works as she's more concerned with her needs and how she has them met by me. My understanding of the OP was that she objected to WOHM using the argument that you are working rather than saying at home partly to set your child an example on what they will be expected to do once they are adults. That can be learned in other ways, and as I said, I have never had the idea that I would not or should not work despite having a mother stay at home to raise me and my brother for 12 years. IMO the argument about 'setting an example' by working isn't a good or particualrly persuasive argument as I believe setting the example you want i.e. go out, get a job when you are an adult, comes from many different aspect of the upbringing. It's over simplistic to suggest that by working your child's entire life is the only way you'll get the message across that you want you child to have a good work ethic.

I'm really Confused at your post in reply to mine as I haven't slated any dads, SAHD, or WOHD. The thread relates to a SAHM's feelings about comments from WOHM and their reasons for working in relation to setting an example for their kids, and I was answering from the POV of having had a SAHM for a large part of my childhood, and also as WOHM as I didn't have the option my mum had when I had my DD. Granted, the topic has likely meandered since the OP, and I've already said I haven't read the whole thing. But anyway, I'm happy with the choice (part-time work) I had though, and I'm happy with the upbringing I've given my DD to date, even though she isn't always as happy or understanding of the reasons why I work. My DD gains a lot from her relationship with her childminder and ter family, and I wouldn't have her experience of life any other way. I'd have liked to SAH for a bit longer maybe, but given that I've been able to support my DD alone since becoming a single parent, I'm glad I returned to work as I'd have struggled more financially as a single parent if I hadn't.

floosiemcwoosie · 27/09/2011 14:06

I think your post is excellent Signofthetimes. My point all along has been about people sharing their experiences, explaining what works for them and why.

I think it is really interesting to here how a huge spectrum of women live their lives.

floosiemcwoosie · 27/09/2011 14:07

hear

signothetimes · 27/09/2011 14:11

'scuse the typos - thought I'd fixed 'em all!

Francagoestohollywood · 27/09/2011 14:24

I agree that "setting an example" is a non argument. I don't think I know who, if asked why they work, would answer "to instil good work ethic to my dds (and what about the ds?)...

Of course by doing your job responsibly you are setting a good example to your children, but people work for many other reasons, imho!

Bonsoir · 27/09/2011 14:44

That WOHMs instil a better work ethic than SAHMs is a red herring, IMO. Children don't see their parents working if they WOH and (at least where I live), children whose parents both work get waited on hand-and-foot at home by Philipinas and are notoriously lazy!

SexualHarrassmentPandaPop · 27/09/2011 14:47

I doubt my dc are going to grow up thinking it's ok to ba a lazy so and so and not contribute to society because I've spent 5 years out of work between the ages of 14 and 65 (or 80 or whenever we will retire by the time I'm that age).

Bonsoir · 27/09/2011 14:52

I have no clue what my mother's professional persona was like, in fact (she worked in a psychiatric hospital which was totally out of bounds to us). I do have some idea of my father's professional persona because I worked in the same office (different service) to him during my university holidays. He was not a good example IMO!

Francagoestohollywood · 27/09/2011 15:02

My mother used to work in a big office (but what exactly did she do I have no idea), then she stopped when I was 7 and db 2 to be at home, more for logistic reasons, than ideologically, I think.

My father has always worked a lot, and has been quite successful in his field, and is still working a lot.
Deffo I haven't inherited any kind of work ethic from my parents, as much as I loved studying I've never really liked working that much, but I suspect it is because I made the wrong choices in the past. My brother, wasn't very academic but has a strong work ethic and works a lot and is very good at what he does.

ScarahStratton · 27/09/2011 15:10

My mother was a SAHM. My father was VP of a large bank. I followed my mother's route and worked full time until I had the DDs. I enjoyed my job and it was very fulfilling. But, for me, being at home with my DDs was more fulfilling.

My DSis has not married, has no children and works at the largest law firm where she lives. She's very successful and loves her job. She would not, however, dream of criticising my decisions, and I would never criticise hers.

She's financially secure, I'm financially secure. She's happy with her life choices, I'm happy with my life choices. That is the way it should be.

wordfactory · 27/09/2011 15:16

I think a good work ethic can be modelled in many ways...not just going out to paid employment.

But I do think that juggling work and family successfully can be no bad thing for a child to witness. Certainly seeing an adult derive pleasure and satisfaction from their work whilst still adoring their DC must be a good thing no? It must make it seems so very doable. Natural perhaps.

mumsamilitant · 27/09/2011 15:31

Being a SAHM can be hard work
Being in a full time job can be hard work

Both for totally different reasons. End of really.

I feel like I have the best of both worlds in working part time from when my DS was 2. My choice for care was with a childminder who was absolutely wonderful because I wanted a home away from home environment for my DS. That was MY choice.

donthateme · 27/09/2011 16:30

Agree wordfactory. I think its the doable thing which is most important in a way. That it shouldn't be seen as some big deal, it's just perfectly normal to be a parent and also to have paid employment, and that you adore your children and raise and nurture them every bit as much whether 'you work or not