to be totally fucked off with the antisahm comments on here?

[slackers]

Wtaf are you only a good role model to your DC if you are in paid employment?
Why does someone only be valid in society if they earn?
Why should I work only to pay someone else do a job to look after my DC? wtaf is the logic in that?
ffs

Oh Kew, no..!!! my friend is nothing like Iliketherein !!!! :o

Some people are upfront with friends, Iliketherain..you know, speak honestly. It is quite an insult to question others in the way you do.

Oh wait, you don't care.

I do not feel strongly at all about other people it is just my opinion that when writing about it on here in answer to a thread always goes on and on and on and never really gets anywhere.

You do what you want and I shall do the same.

IT IS ONLY A FORUM.

If you do not like a banter don't reply.

This forum to me is only a bit of fun, not to be taken too seriously.

I think the breakdown of society happened when it became economically viable for women (single or married) to stay at home with their children. At that point it because blindingly obvious that some people at better at working outside the home than they are at competantly caring for children.

I think all women should work and leave the job of caring for children to people who know what they are doing.

iliketherain - just because you think its better for your children that you care for them during the day doesn't make it true...

Love the idea that my lovely SAHM friends are all secretly thinking that I am a selfish, neglectful bitch!

Around in circles we go.

I should probably have put a afetr that post but on balance decided that I really rather liked that argument.

Best Play It Down Answer Ever!

I love a banter, me, iliketherain!

of course we go around in circles because you beleive what you beleive and are not open to any of the many arguments used. Only direction when you are tethered to a pole an argument is in a circle.

Banter?

There is some top quality banter on MN. None of it on this thread however, and certainly none of it courtesy of iliketherain.

To quote a friend of mine, as far as this thread is concerned, I think there has been a fire in the banter factory and the chat has all gone up in smoke.....

Too right, Kungfu.

oh pleeeese can we have a banter about how the breakdown of society is down to women staying at home with their children Pretty please - I really feel it has some mileage...

Liketherain- so... Let me get this 'right- your child wasnt distraught at being left in childcare for you to work because you've never done that. You believe that he would be distraught if you did that. And you then make a massive leap to 'therefore everyone elses child must be 'distraught.

Well- mine weren't. Maybe that disappoints you. Maybe the only way you can get your head around other peoples children being fine is to convince yourself that you must have a 'better' bond with your child. Or that 'you have some superior knowledge of knowing how your child is, and reading their mood and emotional well being.

And if thats the case, 'the obvious question is WHY do you feel the need to set yourself up as superior in your parenting to those who make different choices?

Do you not think that if I came on this thread with a solid opinion on the topic and changed my mind within 100 posts that would make me a bit weak.

Or would it be better to come on a thread have an opinion and then go with the majority.

Plenty of people on mn agree with me but only a few have made a comment and then they do not return for whatever reason.

I foolishly I suppose hang around.

iliketherain-I agree with you with regards to very young babies being with someone other than a parent mon-fri 8-6. How anyone can say that it is good for a few months old baby to be away from their main carer and in the hands of paid strangers for the majority of their time is beyond me?.

I understand people feel a financial need to do it.

You don't need to change your mind about what is best for you and your family. Just as I have not changed my mind about what is best for me and mine.

But there is a difference between making choices on the basis of your own personal circumstances about what is best for your kids and your family, and extrapolating from that to make pronouncements about what is best for all children and all families.

Let's do some basic arithmetic and see if the "majority of their time" argument stacks up, for starters

8-6 = 10 hours x 5 days = 50 hours

hours in a week 24 x 7 = 168 hours

nope, not stacking up

As for better - does anyone put their child in childcare because they think it will be better for them than being at home? I'd give my children to Social Services, never mind a nursery, if I thought they were better off with paid carers than with me. However, as I both choose and need to work, I require care for them which is adequate to their needs and not harmful to their welfare. That's all.

'paid strangers' - BINGO!

Damn, missed that one off my card. Of course we all pluck a stranger off the street each day and wave notes at them.

You've missed 'I'm lucky enough to be able to stay at home'.

Actually, Georgimama, I am currently working an extra day in the short term to try to save some money so that DS can still have a couple of days in nursery when the new baby comes. The reason being that he absolutely adores nursery and I can't imagine taking him out and having him constantly asking when he is going to see his little friends.

So yes, for me personally, I think it will be better for him to have that time than being at home with me full time. It is going to be tight money wise but I think it is worth it to keep him happy.

168 hours in a week,
24 per day.
8-6 nursery (young baby up to 3 asleep)
13 hours at home (at least 10 hours asleep)
1 hour to and from nursery.
48 hours over a weekend. 11 waking hours x 2.

Waking hours of a small baby per week= 77
Spent with parents (if in full time nursery) 37hours.

although mine spent 16 hours asleep until they were at least one year.

#justsaying.

Still couldn't give a shit about what anyone does with their baby.

Your children must function differently to mine posie, my son was awake far far more than he was asleep, even at six months. And did you not care for your children while they were asleep? Presumably they weren't left alone in the house.