To have no sympathy for the burglar

[Mitmoo]

Another burglar has been stabbed to death when he broke into a businessman's home. His wife and child were returning to the property. The details are very scant at the moment as it is early day.

But the burglars who were stabbed robbing a shop, and an edlerly shopkeeper killed one of them, he was not prosecuted. I think that's right.

It's on R5Live now being debated after another burglar was killed at the weekend.

Personally I think home burglars should take getting stabbed as a occupational hazard. I have no sympathy for them.

Does anyone remember Mog the Forgetful Cat? Where she scares the burglar whilst he is trying to break in? Then Daddy ties him to the radiator and makes the burglar and everyone else a nice cup of tea whilst they wait for police to turn up?

I think that that's what MIFLAW thinks that being burgled is like.

Burglars in MIFLAW's mind

You know what MIFLAW, I reckon Mr Cooke can live with the knowledge that his bravery wiped a violent piece of scum off this earth before that scum hurt him or his wife or his child or your child or your husband or wife, or even you.
I'll also hazard a guess that the very last thing he needs a bleeding heart apologist liberal feeling sorry for him or the scum that tried to do him harm.

That's good jolly. I think some want to hug a crim

"I'd love to know how you go, " looking for it" in your own home?"

Well, I can help you there. You do like Tony Martin did. You load a shotgun, sit in the dark waiting for intruders, then you shoot one (a boy of 16) of them in the back so that he dies in pain, crying for his mother.

That's one way of doing it.

And IF - big if - IF it turned out that anyone in this case had acted in a similar way then, whether the victim was a burglar or a bishop, I would hope that, like Martin, they went to prison for murder.

This is nothing like the Tony Martin case.

Ah, silly me MIFLAW.

Of Course, Mr Cooke was waiting in for the two cheeky chappies to come by.

He let them in, then asked them to drag him round for a bit, yunno, rough him up . Then he text his wife to come home and bring his son with her.

Then, and only then, did he stab scumscrote in the leg. You know, the leg, where everyone knows you can kill a man with one stab. Not the heart, that's too risky, you can live if you are stabbed in the heart.

Animation

I didn't say it was. There seemed to be some confuusion around how a householder could possibly be in the wrong.

But we actually don't know what happened. Why don't we wait and find out?

MIFLAW cowardice isn't illegal, but you can't expect everyone else to behave the same way and fortunately the law doesn't require them to.

Jilly

you asked how a householder could go looking for it.

I just gave you an example.

I am sure a quick look on Google would reveal others.

Onagar

Once again.

I am not condemning the householder for defending himself.

I am condemning people who are gloating over the burglar's death.

It's those evil householders again, MIFLAW. The ones lovely criminals need to defend themselves against.

You know, those householders who are asking for it.

I'm not sure about sympathy but I hope that this incident puts other burglars off their career.

Ok MIFFLAW.

Enough now.

It was an ordeal!

Homeowner taken by surprise by 2 men and a knife....

Charging the householder with murder rather than manslaughter is actually doing him a favour. The speed at which they did it supports that view. If they really want to get someone for killing someone, they would spend a bit more time collecting evidence and would be more likely to charge with manslaughter as different burden of proof.

The police and CPS have to investigate this- they can't just not investigate a case where someone has died. Murder is, in this case, the charge he is least likely to be convicted of in the circumstances- much less likely than manslaughter. So even if the case were to go to court, the chances are very high that once all the evidence were aired -break-in, essentially unarmed householder (ie only a kitchen knife), 3am struggle, armed burglars, presence of wife and children, fatal injury that is unfortunate but almost certainly accidental (although the femoral artery is large there is a lot of the rest of the thigh), all showing a lack of intent- that the case would be dropped anyway. So although his case will be in the papers for a few weeks, he is extremely unlikely to be convicted of anything.

That's right, Jilly. Why bother reading what I said when you can make it up for yourself?

Animation

you know as much about the facts as I do.

i.e. not all of them.

How about we wait and see what the court decides?

Or is that too liberal for you?

MIFLAW - we know enough.

MIFLAW, it's almost as if you want Mr Cooke to be convicted, that you want scumscrote to be exonerated.

Your views I find disturbing at best and offensive at worst.

I agree with Animation, enough. Really, you sound deranged.

MIFLAW - I also don't think you have the moral highground. I do.

Animation

Stop typing immediately, get to the nearest phone, call the CPS and shout down the phone "we know enough!" The police, poor saps, are still slogging away doing their job, investigating the facts of the scene, seeing what the evidence says; and you have it in your power to stop them wasting their time!

With a bit of luck they can be home in time for tea.

MIFLAW - think you're enjoying this a bit too much.

"MIFLAW, it's almost as if you want Mr Cooke to be convicted, that you want scumscrote to be exonerated."

What? Because I'm not glad he's dead? Because I believe that, where facts are unclear, it is the place of the judiciary (in its broadest sense) to decide on a verdict? Based on that - nothing very contentious, I'd have thought - you extrapolate that I actively want the homeowner to be punished, in spite of saying, "if it was self-defence I hope he gets off"?

You find these views disturbing and offensive?

I see your point.

I would also be worried that the burglars friends and family know where i live.. what if they want revenge,

Wait for the armed police to arrive MIFLAW. Really? Shall I tell you what happens when you call GMP and tell them your house is being broken into.

They say sorry, not enough officers available, here's a crime reference number.

So what you do then is call them back and say it's ok I've got the little bastard under a cricket bat and with my (then) german shephard standing with me. (Dog was as soft as anything but no reason for our little poor burglar to know that.) Then they send an officer within minutes. Funny that.

Would I stab someone threatening me and my family. Damn right I would. Luckily it's never happened since that one time years and houses ago.

"Sorry mayorquimby don't actually see that written in my posting must have forgot and assumed that I had a right to my opinion just like you. "

Of course you are. You wrote that a burglar entering your house lost their rights to human rights. I was looking for clarification on your position as to whether they lost their human rights to not be tortured or subjected to slavery? If they're a minor do you also believe that you are in a position to deny them any future education because as you say they have forfeited their human right to an education by entering yuor house as a burglar.