To have no sympathy for the burglar

[Mitmoo]

Another burglar has been stabbed to death when he broke into a businessman's home. His wife and child were returning to the property. The details are very scant at the moment as it is early day.

But the burglars who were stabbed robbing a shop, and an edlerly shopkeeper killed one of them, he was not prosecuted. I think that's right.

It's on R5Live now being debated after another burglar was killed at the weekend.

Personally I think home burglars should take getting stabbed as a occupational hazard. I have no sympathy for them.

The timing of this is interesting given Mr Cameron's recent posturing.

YANBU btw, once someone has broken into your property all bets are off, you dont know why they are there and what their intentions are.

I think there should be a law that says burglars wear black and white strpied jerseys with "swag" written on them, evil mass murderers should wear black with Hannibal maks so you can tell the difference and know which ones to bop on the head with the baseball bat..

Handsome young Anarchists should wear Che T-shirts, berets and smoke Gauloises so there is no chance of accidentally shooting them, even in the dark :D

he deserved it, robbing little bastard!
his family and friends were crying/laying flowers outside the house he was robbing- just as scummy as him it would seem.

Care to expand on why Showofhands?

As far as i am aware he got stabbed with his own knife, meaning he took a knife with him to threaten the householders. If someone threatened me with a knife would I be wrong to fight back, do I loose my human rights to defend myself from getting stabbed to death? You cannot complain if you threaten someone with a knife it it backfires on you and the person fights back.
I hope all charges are dropped, and the householder gets comepensation for his trauma.

his family and friends were crying/laying flowers outside the house he was robbing- just as scummy as him it would seem

Crikey...that is even more appalling, a total invasion of the householder's right to privacy.

Yep, I wonder what his wife/girlfriend thought of his way of living, threatening people with knives in their own homes? You'd have to be as equally scummy to accept it, IMO.

SOH, what should the homeowner have done? Two men tried to push past him, with a knife, into his home? Should he have just said, " Oh, come in you poor disenfranchised men and take my goods. Stab me too and then rape my wife, I won't stop you!"

Yanbu. My thoughts exactly.

I do think there are levels of reasonable force... e.g.

I think that if someone breaks into your house, you hear them coming up the stairs and into the spare room, you then go downstairs to the kitchen, find a nice sharp knife, creep back up the stairs and stab him in the back before he sees you then that is excessive. I don't think it would be excessive to hit him over the head with a baseball bat and knock him out until the police arrived though.

And equally if the man pulls a knife on you and you fight back and he gets stabbed in the process then that is just tough - he shouldn't have been carrying a knife in the first place...

its not really a case of whether he deserved it (the answer would be no i dont really think any one deserves to be stabbed to death), but it is a case of if you enter some ones house with a knife and threaten them you have to expect that it could go badly for you.
i dont think the home owner should have any repercussions for protecting himself from attack especially if the burglar was armed.
the burglars family however does have a right to grieve though they were not burgling anyone, laying flowers would perhaps be an ill choice.

They should grieve elsewhere away form the home of the man they pulled a fucking knife on.

Mitmoo Did the police DNA test the poo?

YANBU, enough said.

they did not pull a knife on anybody jilly they are just grieving the loss of a loved one. i am fairly certain it wasnt a burglar and his family threatened a man.

Whatmeworry
I imagine a house move is on the cards for the family of the home?

Yes sorry, should have read, their loved one pulled a knife on!

and laying flowers achieves what exactly apart from making yourself into a public spectacle in the face of an already public event? It is entirely possible to grieve without the need to lay flowers and cry on camera.

And what exactly do you say - he died in the course of his work?

"SOH, what should the homeowner have done? Two men tried to push past him, with a knife, into his home? Should he have just said, " Oh, come in you poor disenfranchised men and take my goods. Stab me too and then rape my wife, I won't stop you!"

Gosh, that's exactly what I said. Because I disagree with having no sympathy for a life snuffed out, I think that we should be welcoming rapists into our homes. That's absolutely what I meant.

As I said, it can't be debated in aibu, because people have incorrectly decided my standpoint for me and care only about mocking it as opposed to understanding why I might have a slightly different opinion.

Do you think he'll be entitled to death in service payment?

i have no idea its not something i would do ever ie i dont understand why people do it for people who have been hit by cars (by the side of the road) or diana or amy winehouse. i also said that it was an ill choice, so not some thing that i agree with, but i also have never had some one i loved stabbed to death as i am sure most of you have not and who knows how you would react in those circumstances regardless of the reason why they were stabbed.

I think were gonna see the burglars family on jk next week, after all they are the victims.

SOH well for my part I only asked why you didn't agree with the OP. Nothing else.

I haven't incorrectly decided your standpoint.

Neither did Mitmoo who only asked if you cared to elaborate.

No one can understand why you have a slightly different opinion if you haven't given a reason for it. If you did, it could be debated.

No doubt said burglar will now be described as a 'lovable rogue' by various members of his family. No...he was a thieving bastard.

He shouldn't have been burgling a house. He got stabbed. My only concern is for the householder now who must be going through hell for merely defending his home & family.

YANBU love the occupational hazard quote.

YANBU... This is the third case of burglar fatalities in the Manchester area this year. Burglars appear to be going into premises armed, not particularly caring whether there is anyone there or not. In the Pendlebury case the dead burglar was accompanied by several accomplices. This one was part of a twosome. Both of the preceding cases have been investigated and no charges brought. Would expect this one to go the same way.

Heard some Manchester shopkeepers during the riots say they were ready to dish out rough justice to any looters that came their way. I think there is an atmosphere in the city that enough is enough..... and the police should take note. Families leaving flowery shrines at the scene is both crass and insensitive. Hope those flowers end up straight in the bin.

burglars will in all likely hood up the anti. knowing they are now taking a bigger risk because the people inside can get away with protecting themselves iyswim.

Or they could think "hmmm, i best not burgle in case the homeowner stabs me".

I do see your point but at least this sends out a clearer signal than before where homeowners had to worry not only about the burglar stood in front of them but a possible assault/murder charge if they did anything more than help said burglar carrying their goods out.