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To have no sympathy for the burglar

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Mitmoo · 19/09/2011 09:10

Another burglar has been stabbed to death when he broke into a businessman's home. His wife and child were returning to the property. The details are very scant at the moment as it is early day.

But the burglars who were stabbed robbing a shop, and an edlerly shopkeeper killed one of them, he was not prosecuted. I think that's right.

It's on R5Live now being debated after another burglar was killed at the weekend.

Personally I think home burglars should take getting stabbed as a occupational hazard. I have no sympathy for them.

OP posts:
cheekeymonkey · 19/09/2011 16:12

Sorry, couldn't possibly read whole thread but has anyone mentioned the saving to the tax payer his death has had?

MIFLAW · 19/09/2011 16:15

"As for the family, his parents can hardly hold their heads up high and tell us all what a lovely up bringing they gave him." Again, maybe that is not their primary goal in life as they prepare to bury their son.

"But she obviously failed to teach her child right from wrong. She raised this person who is capable of burglary." Nothing could be further from the truth - this is in no way "obvious". Especially where drugs or alcohol are nivolved, lots of people raised by good parents do bad things. we can argue till the cows come home whether they are victims of drink/drug addiction or whether they should be able to pull themselves together. What IS clear is that they have turned their backs on the values they were taught and it is through no fault of their parents; it is either the drink's fault, or their own fault. looked at in this light, we could ALL raise someone capable of burglary or worse; and, just as none of us nkow how we would react when faced with a knife-wielding intruder, so none of us KNOW how we would react if our own child turned out to be a villain.

So let's at least spare his family of nasty, spiteful "I know best" judgements, shall we? They have a son to bury.

BupcakesandCunting · 19/09/2011 16:15

I agree with you, BobblyGusset.

No-one is suggesting that the family shouldn't be able to grieve for their loss but it shows a certain brass neck to go and do it at the house he was planning on doing over. If they must make a public show of their mourning, then go and have a drink in his favourite pub or go to a church and pray or whatever. Weird behaviour.

MIFLAW · 19/09/2011 16:15

"Sorry, couldn't possibly read whole thread but has anyone mentioned the saving to the tax payer his death has had?" No they haven't - because it's spineless, nasty and inaccurate horse shit.

MIFLAW · 19/09/2011 16:17

Animation

So how DO you interpret the comment - again, from page 1 - "The world is an infinitely better place when some of these so called human beings have left it."

you don't see that as meaning "I am glad he's dead"?

cheekeymonkey · 19/09/2011 16:17

What is?

BupcakesandCunting · 19/09/2011 16:17

P.S He might have had a fine upbringing. People do go off the rails. His mother might be mortified (though I think that she did turn up to leave flowers outside the house so probably not) We just don't know what kind of life he had.

LadyGooGoo · 19/09/2011 16:18

Still don't know how you can extrapolate that it's all down to burglar's upbringing.

I take it that means you agree with the old defence " it's not my fault, it's because my parents didn't believe in a naughty step"?

Thought not.

JillySnooper · 19/09/2011 16:19

No it's not.

It costs a bloody fortune to bang them up at Her majesty's pleasure. And it's unlikely he was holding down a respectable full time job whilst moonlighting as armed scum in the evenings.

bemybebe · 19/09/2011 16:21

To answer OP

YANBU, I have absolutely NO sympathy for the violent robber who died of his own sword from an innocent unsuspecting home owner. IF the story as it appears in the media now is true.

LadyGooGoo · 19/09/2011 16:21

Ty bupcakes. Think there is definite evidence that parents are totally insensitive, just not to blame for son's choice of 'career'.

Ormirian · 19/09/2011 16:21

"All this, scum, tough titty type commenting just sounds like typical Daily Hate reader commenst that Mumsnetters usually abhor."

Quite.

JillySnooper · 19/09/2011 16:21

MIFLAW, that's my quote.

Ooh, let me think.
Do I think the world is a better place without vile, thieving scum who hurt and steal and maim and sometimes kill others? Hmm

MIFLAW · 19/09/2011 16:24

Your remark is, cheekymonkey.

it's spineless because it ignores the fact that a human being has been killed and I bet you wouldn't be saying that to any of the people involved.

It's nasty for much the same reason.

And it's inaccurate because the investigation will cost a HUGE amount of money to the public purse, so there will be little or no saving.

So, shite, shite and shite, basically.

BupcakesandCunting · 19/09/2011 16:26

Oh come, come Jilly.

For all we know, he was stealing from the rich to give to the poor. I expect he'll recieve a posthumous knighthood.

onagar · 19/09/2011 16:28

Statistically I'm sure it will save money as burglaries apparently are committed by a relatively few burglars. You just saw 100s of future crimes prevented. You may not like that fact, but there it is.

For those who think there is never a time when killing is right and that no normal person one could live with the guilt, I have a question. How do you reconcile that view with the existence of the British Army?

JillySnooper · 19/09/2011 16:28

Actually , I would say if you don't feel something akin to hatred for scum that do this to innocent people, the old, children, women, then you are morally bankrupt, not the other way round.

strangerintheday · 19/09/2011 16:28

MIFLAW, you do not think the world is a better place without him? I really don't want to live in your world then.

This is not the same saying I am happy he is dead.

MIFLAW · 19/09/2011 16:28

Yes, it would.

Does that make it good, or acceptable, or worth a good old laugh when they get killed?

Not in my book.

Mind you, my book is different to how I imagine your book to be, as mine has no pictures and is made of paper, not board.

cheekeymonkey · 19/09/2011 16:28

Actually MIFLAW, it wasn't a 'remark', it was a 'question'! I hadn't read whole thread and wondered which direction the thread had taken.

BupcakesandCunting · 19/09/2011 16:29

There's nothing Daily Mail about not being all that happy that there are idiots in the world who will do vile shit like break into your house, then not getting all that wound-up over it when a risk that comes with the turf gets realised.

Hmm
Animation · 19/09/2011 16:29

"So how DO you interpret the comment - again, from page 1 - "The world is an infinitely better place when some of these so called human beings have left it."

you don't see that as meaning "I am glad he's dead"?"

I think people are expressing a sense of injustice and indignation that a man who has been through a terryfying ordeal like that, who fought to defend himself and his family has been referred to as some MURDERER. Their sympathies lie with him and his position.

The burglar is responsible for his own demise. The homeowner had every right to defend as best he could.

JillySnooper · 19/09/2011 16:30

Aw come on Bupcakes. Hitler was a smashing chap really. Loved animals. Shame he's dead. Let's all have a moments silence to grieve for him and Fred West and Stalin and Myra Hindley.

JillySnooper · 19/09/2011 16:32

I'm glad he's dead.

There ya go.

And I'd be even more gladderer if the rest of his scummy ilk stopped wasting oxygen too.

MIFLAW · 19/09/2011 16:32

Stranger

I think the world is a better place without him doing what he was doing.

I would suggest that him being put in prison; or retrained; or detoxed; or even put on a chain gang; would all have a chance of accomplishing that goal.

When you put it like that, him dying seems a bit of an extreme solution, don't you think?

And maybe what you say ISN'T the same as saying you're happy he is dead.

But, as far as I can see, '"The world is an infinitely better place when some of these so called human beings have left it"' DOES sound a lot like, "I'm happy he is dead."