To not believe that 40% of parents want to bring back the cane?

[Voidka]

Really?

May09Bump so why is it that children who have never been touched let alone challenged think nothing these days of stabbing or killing other students

One lad in dds old primay school brought it a pellet gun the boy was 8

To be honest I think the lack of respect comes from thinking their untouchable and while they have the lentil eating lefties they always will be

I remember of a case were a teacher carried a child in to the school after he refused to come in and the lefties were up roar thats the real shame adults allowing children. To tell them what to do

oh maypole ..the voice of reason as ever

It would bother me.

For eyars before ds1 was diagnosed he was the naughty kid: now he's in ASD Base but what, woudl ahve been OK if he had been beaten until we realised.

Like hell would it!

Although Maypole- does that mean I needed a damn good caning? Caner would need to be brave to bloody try it!

I worked in a BAse- a unit within a school for kids with SN that maximises inclusion as appropriate to teh child (eg some almost always some never) and the kids there were well behaved because they had decent teaching and support: despite being (for those who assume otherwise) on one of the five largest council estates in Europe.

Oh adn DS!? now he ahs the dx and decent schooling is described as one of the most pleasant kids they ahve ever had, but at infants we would get aprents threatening us in the playground that he ahd done X and Y- school had no clue about his ASD. half the time as well he hadn't even done X and Y: kids soon learn how to play the vulnerable ones!

Am certain the kid being caned several parents are imagining is still ds1 though. Funny how the aprents who think it's OK to threaten a mum in front of ehr toddler and newborn like to moralise isn't it? Ho hum.

Mypole not hitting a child does not equate to not disciplining them! I am a strict old bat, ATM he is on early bedtimes and his fave toy has been confiscated (within ASD that's huge).

I just don't want them hit. Especially by a group of people who vary enormously in their understanding and tolerance of SEN.

I'm just at Maypole.
And Peachy, NO child should be hit, SN or not.

Of course LBE: my point wasn't that, just that before his SN was picked up he was thought of as naughty- there are lots of reasons and it's the reasons that need dealing with, through humanity not violence.

One eprson's naught child is anohter's SN / abused / bereaved / scared child.

Any one who allowes their child to threaten to kill another child and do nothing in my dd case the parents wouldn't even come in to see the head

Then yes

When ones child is clearly being out of order we as parents should be humble and do all we can to address the issue not sit back and allow then to be wild

And in the old days I understood it would be the head again I did point put the people who would not agree are people who kids would be the ones cained

Just like the people who don't like sets are the people who children would be in the bottom sets

In all seriousness caning may not be the answer but discipline has broken down in many state schools which is why their is a mad scramble for the 1 or 2 decent ones every year

And I think that is the point we really should be talking about

A schools are almost powerless to get rid of these children and god for bid mention punishing the parents for not taking action for doing their bloody job

Someone I know their dd has already been expires for 2 weeks from school they have only been back for 10 days but instead of addressing his behaviour she is currently in the process of complaining to th lea about the head

As a teacher I absolutely would NOT want the cane back in use!

40% of the parents polled aren't British.

Question answered.

I think they should bring the cane back to use on some of the parents!!

I certainly don't want the cane and if it ever was introduced to my son's school I would remove him.

I think the 40% is a kneejerk response borne of frustration at the ineffective discipline schools have. They are moaned at for exclusions, violence is not the answer, what exactly works when social and moral pressures are no longer in place?

I was in fourth year of secondary when I was 'offered' ten of the strap for getting a question wrong, after an exemplary school record. He was the deputy head who had previously waxed lyrical on my report cards about what a glittering career I had ahead. I refused, in front of the class, and he demanded a written explanation from my parents for such willfull disobediance. My father pulled him apart and I lost all respect for the man. Violence begets violence but by god, parents are bringing up a generation who know way too much about rights and far too little of responsibility.

This is the ultimate LAZY answer to a complex problem. And anyone who thinks this is the answer is not thinking intelligently. You tell kids you can't use knives/be violent etc and then you use violence against them. What a moronic answer to dsicipline. And good luck to anyone holding down a teenage lad to give him a beating.

I am so against this if I found out a friend of mine supported bring back corporal punishment I would end the friendship. It is wrong wrong wrong. I feel physically sick at the thought. And I bet anyone who says it didn't do me any harm are fooling themselves or are not the type of people I would ever want to associate with. It was deemed to be against human rights which is why it was banned. Let's just bring back torture, whipping for prisoners etc. What is wrong with people?

Fair enough Peachy.
I suppose beause this is mainly a parent's forum I thought there would be zero tolerance to any sort of corporol punishment.
Even though they're in the minority, I can't believe that there could be anyone, anywhere that would support having their children legally beaten by a figure of authority.
I can't get my head around it.

Well I don't agree with people threaten parents or children in the playground any high jinks should be delt with the school

Sadly I have suffered with this myself I had a mum grab my son by the arm and scream at him he was 5 at the time

School were pants had to get the police involved it was only then the school took action

Caning is obviously very, very wrong.

Seriously, why is anyone reading the Daily Mail? - if we all ignore it, it might go away. Their statistics are completely nonsensical.

For a minority, it may be necessary, from stuff I have witnessed.

yy to racker.
I feel just as strongly.

Sorry cracker

Baba7 please tell us more what have you seen???

Glad you agree LadyBeagle

LBE normally MN is strongly anti violence but there's always a few: generally Maypole is that one.

Maypole is your post meant to suggest then that I am only opposed to violence as ds1 was 'naughty' and that what- he should ahve been hit then? Despite you knwing the outcome longer term?

DS1 used to come home with bruises in the shape of shoes imprinted on him; a group of twelve chidlren pinned him down (long after DX) and beat him that badly; at one point the kids had a scam where he was having to steal money from us to pay them or he would not be allowed to 'be their friends' (a huge issue for him). I know what it is like to fear for the child you love- heck more so year or so later I had to send a non verbal asd child into the same place whilst awaiting an snu placement.

I would not have wanted those children hit either- detention/ etc enough.

Peachy - Macmillan you clearly didn't read my post if full

"In all seriousness caning may not be the answer but discipline has broken down in many state schools which is why their is a mad scramble for the 1 or 2 decent ones every year

And I think that is the point we really should be talking about

A schools are almost powerless to get rid of these children and god for bid mention punishing the parents for not taking action for doing their bloody job

Someone I know their dd has already been expires for 2 weeks from school they have only been back for 10 days but instead of addressing his behaviour she is currently in the process of complaining to th lea about the head"

So just pasted the bottom bit because you seen to have missed it

it's probably just 40 percent of daily mail readers. which is a surprisingly low percentage!

Maryz

But corporal punishment in schools won't, because those punished will either be proud or resentful, and in neither case will it improve their behaviour.

Hmm good point got