To not believe that 40% of parents want to bring back the cane?

[Voidka]

Really?

I like how people who think its a good idea to bring it back say, of course my children are so well behaved they would never get the cane

I would take to the streets to protest ,if they ever brought it back

Are the parents, parents of school age kids? couldnt be arsed to read article

I mean they are like ww1 veterans are they?

I don't believe hurting a child helps, the only time I smacked my eldest was when he ran over the road outside school, he was 6 at the time. Since then I have never smacked, I hated myself when I did it.

I'm a childminder now and I speak quietly to the child I mind. Many children get used to shouting so when you speak quietly and calmly they are more likely to listen.

giveitago, are you refering to my post?

nagyo In a good school there would have been staff about to stop that bullying; no amount of caning is going to stop DCS from violent criminal backgrounds from behaving violently it is LEARNED BEHAVIOUR.

Caning is a deterrent to the DCs from caring homes who are too frightened to say or do anything. No DCs should be taught by fear. The disturbed, violent, disruptive DCs should be removed from 'normal 'classes and taught in much smaller ones and in more imaginative ways. actually that should be the case for all schooling: the option of doing some supervised work based education seems a good one too. Adolescents often rebel against authority as just part of development why keep them in school against their wishes?

IMO there is no excuse for corporal punishment at all.

southernfried, I said this above; the yougov poll began by asking if you had a child under 16. So it WAS a poll of parents. Or of liars.

Kat2504 and alliwant i think if this happens then the proffesion will attract certain people. Scary!

I don't think caning is the answer but something has to be done to teach these particular children about consequences and discipline. I am from South Africa where corporal punishment is routine and it never did us any harm (never stopped us being naughty either!!). However, really naughty/disruptive children were sent to special schools so the rest of us could learn in a good environment. At said special schools the kids were taught respect by helping out with community projects etc. and doing a good bit of hard physical work. Maybe could work here?

Well, if they didn't extract the number from their bottoms, we're talking about 49% of parents with an opinion strong enough to want to answer (orobably very leading) questions about corporal punishment but presence of mind weak enough to not get out of the way of the woman with the clipboard.

another way to look at it is that at least 49% are not happy with the current situation in the schools that their children are in.

It is a sad indication of how far society has sunk if we truly believe the cane will solve discipline problems.

Can't we be more imaginative than that?

Or maybe those who replied send their kids to private school and they want to see canning in the state schools

What about caning the parents in place of the child? That would go down a storm (hmm)

Discipline in schools can be very good, even in deprived areas. And sometimes it's crap. And it's rarely to do with the quality of the teacher and mainly to do with the management and ethos of a school. The people who think caning is a good idea are buying the rubbish that's put out there about behaviour in schools. Caning is barbaric and wrong. It wouldn't change or improve anything. The opposite in fact. And please don't trot out ' it never did me any harm' line. Because maybe it didn't, but it may have been devastating for the next person. That's the whole point, it's such an extreme thing to do and a very wring thing to do. Phew! Didn't mean to rant so much

Wrong

I am a teacher.

I love my job, I work in a school that has been classed as "difficult".

I think my pupils are fantastic.

I have occasionally had to sit on my hands to prevent myself from swatting one or two.

I have a short fuse, god-forbid someone give me a cane.

I cannot believe there are posters on this thread that would support caning or any type of corporol punishment.
Can I just ask them, would they really be prepared to beat someone elses child?
If the answer is yes I know who to avoid on MN in future.

we absolutley should NOT be removing aggression from childrens lives, its very normal and exists for a reason. what we should do is guide and find safe expressions for aggression instead

VikingBlood I imagine most teachers have seen red at times and the frustration can be immense. However the vast majority of us control/supress these feelings as do you.

Personally, I don't know any teachers who would willingly beat a child when 'out of the red zone'. (At least I think I don't)

Violence only breeds violence, what lessons are to be learnt from it - it's ok to hit each other. IMO - hitting in any circumstance only shows lack of control and respect.

I was hit as a child and TBH only made me worse - very hard and closed off in side. I had more respect and feared disappointing my grandmother who never raised her voice or hand to me. She made me understand how to behave by talking and removing privileges. Ok, this is home based - but the same applied in school, I had more respect for the teachers who knew how to control a class without violence / shouting.

I think other things are important in school like uniform, structure, a sense of achievement, ambition and a sense of direction for the child. Also, parent involvement is essential.

Like karate knittedbreast ?
My DS is hoping to take his black belt next weekend.
I think "karate" means "empty hand"
That's the way it should stay !

We had the slipper and ruler in primary school and the cane in secondary school until it was banned in 1982. But you do have to look at it in it's context We grew up at a time when smacking or giving a child a good hiding by parents was the norm. I remember certain male teachers in my primary school took sadistic pleasure in hitting kids some of them administering the slippering in a long corridor so the had a long run up to to the kids backside for maximum force We'd then hear the wallop from the classrooms, but only one female teacher would administer the ruler herself the others would send the offender to the headmaster for corporal punishment. did it work? Well not for the 1 or 2 hardcore kids who took it as a badge of honour but it definitely acted as a deterrent for the ones who would have liked to join in with the troublemakers. I can 't remember complaining about their dc been hit either.

what did they do with slipper and ruler?
no cane at my school
if naughty trip to headie and sharp talking to

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack agreed my dh is very well behaved so I don't mind at all
My view is that the ones who are shocked at this are the ones who have naughty children

My dd was bullied at school told he might get be killed if he told, and the children tired to push dd of a barge when on a shook trip if the teacher didn't see he would of been drowned

The birch would have been to good in my view though its the parents who really needed a good caning

My dad taught at a boys secondary in the 1950s and was the chief caner.
He said in later years that it didn't do any good ...the same boys behaved, the caned boys didn't.

He never ever hit us. Mum did though.