To not believe that 40% of parents want to bring back the cane?

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Really?

I've been reading this thread, reading some people's experiences of being beaten at school :( and thinking that it often seems the case that the beatings were more often a reflection of the beater's personality (and maybe predelictions) than the children's behaviour. It seems that it gratified the adults' needs to punish rather than anything else

It sounds brutal and barabaric and if Cameron even so much as makes a squeak in this direction I will be out on the streets protesting

I'll be right there with you CurrySpice.

I always thought it was a damning inditement of our society that the last members on whom it was legal to inflict violence were children.
Actually, I'd like to suggest a regressive step of my own- let's take the vote away from people who read the Daily Mail.

I think there is a distinct lack of discipline in some schools. I don't think the cane is the answer but SOMETHING needs to be done. I agree with whoever said about how hard it is to exclude a child. Schools have to jump through hoops, all for the benefit of a tiny minority whose parents cannot or will not discipline their own children.
School then has to fight a losing battle, trying to instill boundaries and rules which quite frankly are alien to this minority of disruptive kids. At the same time the teacher is trying to actually teach the rest of the class.
Too many times the teacher has to do the job which should have been done by the parents many years previously in the child's life.

My mother taught in the 70s and 80s. (English)

She was known as an excellent disciplinarian.

She taught tough classes. (for those of who are old enough, she was given a class of ROSLAs in her probationary year - and got them to buy their own copies of a book towards the end of the year. Later, she taught in Clydebank - so not a nice leafy suburb).

She was well liked. :)

She never used the strap (which is what used to be used in Scotland rather than the cane).

She didn't believe in it and didn't need it. Good teachers don't.

Her comment was that most of the kids who "needed" the strap (as in, some of the other teachers gave them "6 of the best") were already exposed to lots of violence at home and as a result it wasn't effective - and worse, that it taught them that physical violence was appropriate :(.

The proof was that most of them would have prefered the strap to the punishments she gave them (detentions and/or extra work) because it was "over and done with quickly".

Its not a Daily Mail thing - just the article I linked to is from the DM.

Well said Tyr and I'll be on the streets with you Curryspice. I am hoping this is just a typical scaremonger DM story based on a stupid survey. I wonder how much money they spend on these stupid pointless surveys.

I was caned by my Dad. He ended up in prison. Case closed as far as I'm concerned

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/816671-Toxic-Dad-150-sorry-a-bit-complex/AllOnOnePage#25802863

prettybird your mother was spot on.

So is the issue with poor teachers

Bad parents

Un willing schools to exclude

Or labour for allowing the rot

I would never hit my children and no one else would either..

The rot or problems as I prefer to call it were well set in long before labour were in power. People seem to forget what an appaling mess this country was in long befor labour. And frankly if the Tories support even a suggestion of the idea of bringing back corporal punishment that is where the rot truly lies

Ok ladies I think we can safely say the can is NOT being brought back can we talk about the wider issue of discipline in schools which is why some feel this way.

What the way forward ideas, thoughts

That should have a different thread as people coming fresh to the thread will react to the original OP

Um I dont believe this is being talked about in political circles this is in the news paper so don't get you knickers in a twist.

Spot on cracker it is moronic and barbaric to think for one moment that this is acceptable.

Inflicting pain as a method of punishment on children is wrong. It is that simple.

What on earth do the people who would condone this suggest that we do to violent criminals if they think caning in schools is acceptable?!

Something needs to be done . Of course it's 'up to the parents' but most parents are too wimpish to say 'no'
Poor teachers have to try to pick up the pieces ...

I was training to deliver workshops for the sophie lancaster foundation yesterday.

I think it might undermine my effectiveness somewhat if I started beating students.

Maypole start a new thread up if thats what you want to talk about.

Ok so were just all gonna say yes or no to something we know will
Never happen but not talk about the wider issue of why people feel this way

Its Friday night and I do not want to talk politics.

maypole1, I would say that some schools are trapped in a cycle of social deprivation & low aspiration, resulting in students not seeing much point in striving. They are tougher places to work so often find it harder to recruit & retain effective teachers.

Once a school has acquired a poor reputation for bad behaviour/high turnover of staff it becomes much more Daily Fail worthy than 'Kids go to school, behave nicely, learn stuff, gain qualifications & leave as well-adjusted adults' which is far more the norm.

I was strapped at my primary school countless times and it had no effect, probably because I was getting caned, hit, whipped on a regular basis at home. I was still badly behaved, ironically I started to behave when corporal punishment was banned and I moved to a school where teachers bothered to find out why I was misbehaving rather than simply inflicting further violence on me.

I have worked in quite a few comprehensive schools and have been a victim of quite serious violence in one and was shoved in another. Both of these schools had very poor leadership. I have worked in other comprehensives in which behaviour is generally very good and they have had very strong leadership. We need to focus on getting the best people into teaching rather than starting to introduce violence into schools.

On a secondary note I do wish the Daily Mail and the government would stop banging the drum that there is no discipline in schools and that teachers are in some way scared to take control of their classroom. This is not the case in most schools.

As others have said the people who want to see corporal punishment assume their little darlings would never need this kind of sanction. A little like Grammar schools, people support them because they think their children will get in.

Sorry on your second to last bit I don't agree, on the bullying thread their is post after post were heads are almost afraid to tackle the bullies

Even today I read a boy was attacked with a wooden draw had to be taken to hospital and all the school suggested was two day exclusion, wow two days watching sky at home that will show him

My own dd was nearly drowned others tried to push him off a barge when on a school trip threatened to kill dd if he told that they were waiting for him

And the head did what nothing we even had one of the bullies parents grab dds arm school did fuck all till I got police involved

I think when I was at school bullying was worse than it is now.

At least kids can tell people now, uyears ago abuse went on because adults were always right and you did not question it.