To not believe that 40% of parents want to bring back the cane?

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Really?

The article in the Independent said 49% were in favour.

Depressing, frankly. Things like this make me question universal suffrage when so many people are clearly off their rockers.

Violence breeds violence. Even a child should expect the right not to be assaulted. My guess is violence, done in the name of discipline, only ever temporarily solved behavioral issues in children. And they grow up learning to get what they want through violence. Definitely best left in the last century.

I think the caners might get too much pleasure from their activities. For some people it's not just about inflicting punishment. Is it?

We used to get the slipper at school. Those were the days...

I'd go proper ape shit if my dc were caned. And no I don't believe this stat either.

If it ever happened I'd take my kids out of school, quick sharp. In fact I'd probably emigrate.

No-one is allowed to hit my daughters, under any circumstances.

I don't think the cane should be brought back but something needs to be done. It's ridiculous what they can get away with and the pupils know this and abuse it. My aunt is a teacher in a 'rough' school and I don't know how she lasts there with all she tells me.

should discipline children like they do with the army.

My mum's attitude was always that the schools should not lay a finger on us. God help us if we played up at school, mind. We'd either get a smack or grounded, or things like phones/video players/toys would get confiscated until she felt we'd learnt our lesson.

My brother and I very rarely played up as a result.

what would a child have to do to deserve being beaten with a cane

violence does not correct wrong behaviour it creates more aggression or submission neither is good for anyone in the long run

it is respect that is often missing, children often have not been shown and taught respect so they have little or no respect for teachers or anyone in authority this is what we need to tackle not beat them into submission so they respect others and understand the reasons why they are like this what is going wrong it will not be because they are allowed to get away with everything and are never physically disciplined, often quite the opposite it is used far too often (i am against using it in any situation)

If someone beat a dog with a stick repeatedly they would be in trouble with the RSPCA, possibly prosecuted and perhaps imprisoned.

And people are suggesting we should be able to treat children in that way?? The mind truly boggles.

But, the softer approaches used in schools over the last 20 years clearly haven't worked.

Well, actually they probably do work for about 98% of kids if done well. The other 2% would be getting caned over and over without making any difference.

Everyone acts like schools are in a perpetual state of riot or something, this is perpetuated by the ridiculous media in this country. There are some teachers who have some problems with some classes in some schools. An awful lot of schools have no discipline problem whatsoever.

I actually did this yougov poll, and said no to caning and yes to more lines and detention. I'm afraid the question was pretty clear and unambiguous.

Though I said no, it was because physical punishment doesn't really work any better than other forms of punishment. My former partner went to a school with a fierce 6 5" discipline master. He - my former partner - was regularly in trouble and offered the choice between a six-of-the-best or picking up papers. He always chose the cane because it was over faster. You may all like to know he is now a millionaire with a conviction for insider trading and price fixing.

I think the mothers saying 'oh, my dcs would NEVER be caned' are presupposing more justice than most schools provide. I was myself smacked six times with a ruler on the backside at age 9. I was being blamed for something that was in no way my fault; I remember it with some indignation, but it didn't ruin my life. (Oh shut up at the back there, you lot who say I probably deserve it every day )

And that 2% would likely be the same kids with the difficult home life who are also being abused physically by their parents.

I would never agree to caning in a million years. I do not feel the need to physically abuse my children at home and yet still, somehow , I manage to maintain authority. Why should it be necessary or desirable in a school?

I wonder how many would have answered positively to the question "Would you be happy to allow a teacher to cane your child?"

Not so many, I would have thought.

I'm old enough to remember it in school in the 80's. It terrified the life out of the good kids (who were never going to get it anyway) and didn't change the behaviour of the shits pupils who did get it.

I'm all for strict discipline, but not the cane. Hideous idea.

I saw someone being hit with the slipper when I was 5. The headmaster beating the crap of a little kid seemed wrong then and now.

YANBU, agree with the poster that those parents who support this only want it for other people's children.

"the poll found nine out of ten parents ? and two thirds of pupils ? want teachers to have more power to crack down on bad behaviour."

Now this I agree with. But corporal punishment is not the way.

As a teacher, I have always been against the cane but sometimes I do wonder if that is what it will take to bring some kids into line. Detention? So what! Ring my parents? Why do you think I am this way? Exclusion? Great-a mini holiday! Internal exclusion? So what, I'll just see the other little sods after school. What elso is there? The kid who attacked another in my classroom got an exclusion for a few days, just as he did when he went for my heavily pregnant colleague who tried to stop him attacking another kid on a previous occassion. What does he have to do to get actually punished!

The kid who attacked another in my classroom got an exclusion for a few days, just as he did when he went for my heavily pregnant colleague who tried to stop him attacking another kid on a previous occassion. What does he have to do to get actually punished!

Sounds like the police could have been called for either incident, and indeed social services to investigate whey he is so violent.