STAND UP AND BE COUNTED AND STOP THE ATTACKS ON SN PARENTS

[4madboys]

ok NOT an aibu, but this is where it will be seen the most and it NEEDS awareness.

quite frankly, i along with others am appalled at the comments that are being made and left to stand, toward the SN community, they are downright offensive and quite simply appalling.

i am sure (or hope) that the majority on here do NOT agree with them but yet the SN community on mn are not being supported, whether this is because people do not know what to say, or they havent seen these posts i do not know?

BUT IT IS ABOUT TIME THAT THINGS CHANGED, so this a thread where you can stand up and be counted and say that you do not agree with the disregard, blatant trolling and offensive behaviour towards our lovely mn who have or are dealing with sn in their family.

they need this place for support, not the vile behaviour that they are getting.

so please post here and show your support and help make a change for the better.

all it takes is a smile next to your name to show you agree :)

Irma, I was of the understanding that it was a bastardisation of Fucking and Bastard.

Incidentally, I was not snotty; t'was sarcastic

I 'get' how the site works; i've been a member for some time under a different name, but for personal reasons had to rejoin.

Possibly not intentional, but please don't patronise me.

Regarding the meaning of the word, like I say I wasn't aware it had ANYTHING to do with rt*d AT ALL!

madam
If someone posts "why do people take children with SN to theme parks anyway, if they cannot queue?" - would you expect parents of children with SN not to respond?

well yes I would!! But I do think it is important not to start mudslinging! On a debating forum like AIBU lPeople are entitled to their opinions even if they are, how can I put it politely, not the mainstream opinion!

I haven't read the whole thread, but...

As I said on the other thread, it's about consistency though, isn't it?

If I posted a thread in ibu saying "ibu to think that black people should all go back to Africa where they belong," or "Ibu to think that imigrants are here just to take our jobs and benefits," the thread would probably be deleted within seconds. But before it was pulled I would be roundly slated for my views (those are not the views I hold, btw), and I sincerely doubt that anyone calling me a racist would have their posts deleted on the basis of a personal attack (prior to the thread going, obviously).

But if I posted "Ibu to think that disabled children should not be given queue jump tickets in a theme park," the thread would run and run until it reached the 1000 mark, and anyone reporting it would be told that mumsnet is about educating people, and that threads would be left to stand on that basis. So if I believe that all black people belong back in Africa then I don't need educating that they don't - I just need telling? whereas if I believe that all disabled children should just put up or shut up I still need educating on that issue. Where exactly is the difference? Either we're educating people on the rights and wrongs of prejudice - any prejudice or we simply don't tolerate it.

I do get the notion of freedom of speech. And actually, I think that if a disablist thread should be allowed to stand then so should a racist one. Because people of other races should surely also have the right to see that not everyone thinks like that, in the same way parents of sn children should. no?

Irma, I was of the understanding that it was a bastardisation of Fucking and Bastard.

Which is what I had assumed you probably thought which is why I tried to politely point it out to you. I did a quick search on your posts before I PM'd you and you didn't look like a bigot which is why I bothered to PM. I don't bother for trolls - no point!

No it wasn't my intention to patronise you and I don't think I did. But I'm sorry if being told a term is disablist felt like that. As I said in my message it was to point out that some posters find it offensive. You can see from my name I don't find swearing offensive

Anyhoo, now you know. I won't get into a tit for tat about the PMs because I think we were labouring under a misunderstanding and I don't hold a grudge (except against nasty bigots!).

My point being that some words have multiple meanings to different people, so its not necessarily an attacjk, its very context dependent.

That's funny when I look at Urban dictionary here this is what it says[stars are my own]: A contraction of "fucking ret**d".

The online slang dictionary here

Wiktionary definition here

Fairly conclusive I'd say...

'some words have multiple meanings to different people'

Yes. And if lots of people find a word you are using offensive then maybe you should consider the other meanings and stop using it. Or go and join the bigots on Facebook.

(General comment, not at you WMW)

Not sure the aetiology of a word is the point anyway.

If a word I use hurts people then I am not so limited in my vocab that I cannot just use another one.

I mean, what's the problem?

'I do get the notion of freedom of speech. And actually, I think that if a disablist thread should be allowed to stand then so should a racist one. Because people of other races should surely also have the right to see that not everyone thinks like that, in the same way parents of sn children should. no?
' that deserves a round of applause.

And I will merrily repeat myself that I don't actually think MN should have a policy that includes education, and educating done by posters should be of our free will and the official stance. It is freely given and as such should be a bonus not a safeguard. I am not staff.

I use f*ktrd all the time but I thought too that it was bastard not retard :s

And if lots of people find a word you are using offensive then maybe you should consider the other meanings and stop using it. Or go and join the bigots on Facebook

I give up.....

Nobody's asking any poster to educate. The education is often based on 'opinion' anyway so is bound to vary. If you don't want to give your views, don't, it's very simple really.

FWIW madamarcati, I'm with you on this one.

"Somebody answers in a way that parents with SN children don't like"

What? Like an offensive way? A prejudiced way? A spiteful way?

I don't have a child with SN but I don't like those sort of answers either.

people will always challenge ideas

Great post saf - exactly how I feel. This thread has totally gone off topic now. As I suspected it would.

Sorry I think I derailed the thread. I meant to post on the one in site stuff but got this one by mistake and then people started replying...

Dunno, mouseface. I think it might be entirely on-topic that we're discussing parents with SN children responding to ideas that threaten their children's welfare; parents with SN children having to ignore posts they don't like; parents with SN children educating bigots.

That's what this thread is about, isn't it?

The fact that if more posters challenged or educated - since this seems to be so important - the parents with SN children wouldn't have to use up their precious remaining energy doing so. And would know that the bigots aren't actually expressing the views of the rest of MN (or indeed that they are - in which case I'll know not to waste any more of my life here).

Yay to Tianc and startAfire 21.03 post
couldn't agree more