STAND UP AND BE COUNTED AND STOP THE ATTACKS ON SN PARENTS

[4madboys]

ok NOT an aibu, but this is where it will be seen the most and it NEEDS awareness.

quite frankly, i along with others am appalled at the comments that are being made and left to stand, toward the SN community, they are downright offensive and quite simply appalling.

i am sure (or hope) that the majority on here do NOT agree with them but yet the SN community on mn are not being supported, whether this is because people do not know what to say, or they havent seen these posts i do not know?

BUT IT IS ABOUT TIME THAT THINGS CHANGED, so this a thread where you can stand up and be counted and say that you do not agree with the disregard, blatant trolling and offensive behaviour towards our lovely mn who have or are dealing with sn in their family.

they need this place for support, not the vile behaviour that they are getting.

so please post here and show your support and help make a change for the better.

all it takes is a smile next to your name to show you agree :)

Hear, hear, dittany.

Honestly, Lyin', some posters on that benefits thread are posting in a trollish manner. I mean, honestly, do you really think any sane person thinks we should go back to a workhouse system for the poor?

Pagg - if the same people are always posting offensive reactionary ill-educated trollish stuff all over the boards, including sn topics which I believe most of us do not see (?) I'd urge you to send an email to mnhq asking them to look more closely at their behaviour. Surely, in the end, this is what happened to DP, who afaik was banned for her offensive/trollish (ie. posting to stir up trouble) posts, rather than sock-puppeting, name changing, or calling anyone an out and out cunt.

One aspect of trolling: they love to see in-fighting on the boards.

Honestly, everyone, don't let them rule the day.

I've been trying to work out how to word a post like that...but got distracted by something shiny

x2 for both SN offspring.

Count me in, I rarely post outside SN board, but I do read some terrible comments on other boards!!

:)

A difference of opinion isn't trolling

I don't go on benefit threads as I'm not on benefits, I don't know how hard it is to live that way. But I do know a handful of people that fit the daily mail stereotype of 'benefit scrounger' . Now, I know that the vast majority of people who find themselves having to accept living on the pittance that the government gives struggle and don't fall in the 'benefit scrounger' camp but there are few people that don't. If you mention it, you are called all sorts of names. The same goes for disability benefit claiments. It would seem that you cannot mention the bad few without appearing to malign everyone. But most of the time, it isn't personal, most of the time the comments are general

The times I have seen unacceptable terms like retard/spaz etc they have been shouted down and removed. The more subtle terms or viewpoint in the main. But I have also seen people take offence at things that weren't meant to be offensive. It's all in the intent

There are days where everything gets a bit much and I see slights everywhere but that is my problem - not necessarily the other persons.

It's hard to be the parent of a child with additional needs and we can expect empathy but we can't expect others to know just what the reality is

Who has said a difference of opinion is trolling?

YES i think the vile comments made towards sn mnetters are WRONG.

and furthermore

Take this little gem from spiderpig8

'a possibly large teenage boy with ASD kicking off, very safe in a queue'
Than if he poses a danger to the public he shouldn't be there at all

I don't think that's a difference of opinion, MsCellophane - it's offensive and bigoted, and should be challenged - if not deleted.

Given that it's the same old same old posters coming out with this shit why not just send them to Mumsnet Coventry, just totally blank them. They clearly just want to shit stir so whenever their names appear just ignore and blank them. Maybe continuous lack of any sort of enagaement will lead to some of them giving up and pissing off I dunno but nothing else seems to be working

I am going to make one single post on this.

People are spectacularly failing to see the point, and indeed twisting things (as in Lyingwitch's post).

I started a thread that bore absolutely no relation to my private life. The only vague association was that I have to claim benefits out of necessity. There has ensued fifteen odd pages of benefit bashing, including disgusting flaming of me for the way I live my life. I've been called lazy, entitled and scrounging, and that I have made bad lifestyle choices (if giving birth to three children with additional needs is a lifestyle choice then whatever).

I actually really enjoy a good debate too. I think there is mileage in discussing the current government spin on making deductions from benefits for rioting or truanting (my family does neither incidentally so why I should be referring to my family in my posting I do not know) and how that insinuates that both issues are created solely from people on benefits. I was really up for a debate ABOUT THE ISSUE I POSTED.

I didn't get that though. I got personal attacks and trollery instead. Over the course of the evening I contacted MNHQ no fewer than four times asking for their help. I didn't get a response until many hours later, and when it came the response was that nothing offensive had been posted and there had been no trolling.

On consideration I decided that it was simply the latest in a long line of MNHQ ignoring this specific type of trolling, and that I wasn't going to accept it any more. I have chosen to stop posting as I now believe that I'm never going to be able to start any kind of thread on here about any topic without the sn trolls crawling all over it. I believe fanjo feels the same way for the same reasons although I can't speak for her in that obviously. I am still reading. I believe any further posts from me will simply stick myself back in the firing line - hell I could start a thread about paint drying and some arsehole would end up telling me I was entitled and a scrounger purely because of who I am - and I'm not doing that any more.

It's not a flounce, I just fail to see why I cannot engage in debate that has nothing to do with my personal life without trolls getting stuck in. Hence the other thread I posted. So, if I'm not going to be allowed to post on a variety of topics then what is the point in posting at all? I'm certainly not attention seeking, I could well do without some of the sn troll attention.

Exactly what I was trying to say hobnobs. I got so frustrated with people engaging with daftpunk - and it is the same this time around with these new "controversial" posters.

yes, an offensive and bigoted but a view from an offensive and bigoted person - we can't remove them from society. I would prefer to see those comments stand so I know which posters are offensive and bigoted and so that others can also see them for what they are

A difference of opinion is not trolling

posting to get a rise out of posters is

surely people can tell the difference?

Bibbity... I saw those posts. I raised an eyebrow. I don't agree with them but I wouldn't call them 'trollish'. I had quite 'out there' opinions when I was about 15 or so and don't hold them now. That poster has a right to post what he/she wants so long as it meets the guidelines. Opinion isn't yet moderated and neither should it be.

I absolutely disagree with the posters who keep engaging with posters who 'upset' them. It's lunacy and those posters need to have a word with themselves.

It really isn't complicated. This is a chatboard. How awkward does it feel to have 'killed a thread'? It's unsettling, no? So, if somebody offends you that much you ignore them, chances are others will also be offended and ignore them also... and so that poster naturally moves on, or moderates themselves and comes back. Nothing that MNHQ need to do if only we would stop bleating and behaving like kids.

I don't have SN children but if I wanted to post on that topic, I'd post on that section of the board where the posters have knowledge/experience. Same with feminism, books, relationships, diets, etc. People post differently on those sections and, from what I've seen, they're very supportive. So, why post those subjects here and then squawk about posters being opinionated? It makes no sense, not to me anyway.

AIBU is loved and disparaged in about equal measure, I would say. I love it, I post on one or two other sections and swerve others. I don't go there to disrupt and I don't expect disparagers to come here to disrupt either.

Bibbity
I think you misunderstand me.
I never said it was the same posters.
I said I think some people get worn down when digs and goading or unpleasant posts appear with regularity in many different sections of the board.
I was trying to describe how, when it is personal to you, and it seems as if attacks are coming from many different directions, then it is easy to feel under attack.

To reiterate. I don't really give a shit about bigotted wankers. But the sn section is being depleted and that bothers me. The same as if bereaved parents were leaving, or posters from a particular ethnic group.

I don't let them bother me. But other people are living different lives and have different tolerance levels. Surely?

I stopped engaging with Daftpunk. One day I just decided to ignore her. I didnt answer any posts directed at me and I didnt enter into any type of conversation with her.

It was a very freeing experience.

but Lyingwitch, the thread about benefit cuts wasn't a 'sensitive' thread when it was started - it was some of the obnoxious posters who made it about the OP's personal situation. There were posters on that thread who managed to have a different opinion without being offensive.

All I will say Glitter is that 95% of the posts on that thread were inoffensive and 5% were offensive and if you feel the need to flounce because of that 5% - then all of us here are saying please don't go because of the wankers. Which is also what Shiney said and now SHE has been unfairly treated.

So we've got at least two deeply upset and offended posters - the trolls must be rubbing their hands with glee.

I wouldn't, MsCellophane, I don't want to share a board with posters who have these views - just as I would not want to share a board with someone who was racist.

its hard work having a sn child, standing up to be counted,

Me too, Mrs dV.

Glitter... I don't 'twist'. You might not agree with what I post but I don't twist what anybody says.