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to loathe this sense of entitlement we hear/read/see everyday

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scuzy · 25/08/2011 14:16

the idea of some taxes is to pay into a pool for those in genuine need of some kind of benefits. but i am sick to death of people who feel that just because they paid tax for a certain amount of years they can now claim benefits just because they say "its their money". these people are making fraudulent claims but its justified to them because they have paid into the pot so to speak and now its their turn to give up working and relax.

if i hear "i am entitled to ..." one more time i'll smack someone!

we have become a nation of "entitlers".

even my own family ask why do i work x amount of hours when i coudl claim this that and the other. "you are entitled to you know"! er .... no i'm not.

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Cocoflower · 25/08/2011 20:41

When I looked at what we would get if we both quit work it turned out to be the same amount :(. So I dont see any difference to a family on the low end.

You cannot claim JSA and WTC so based on us both giving up work we would get free school dinners.

OpinionatedMum · 25/08/2011 20:43

"You cant get free school dinners if you get any WTC regardless of how low your income is. I think that is a bit off tbh."

So do I. That's why I think people should have a greater sense of entitlement.

Cocoflower · 25/08/2011 20:44

Intresting and probably right hammerhead;

"This may be for several reasons, it could be defensive or it could be a way of bolstering their altered self image."

The problem is people get so defensive they jump to any critcisim taking it far too personally, when infact its not about them at all.

thefirstMrsDeVere · 25/08/2011 21:00

But if you gave up work coco you would have no future. You would have nothing of your own. You would be relying on the state for everything.

I can tell you, that is no fun at all. Despite how the media try and make it out to be the life of Riley.

You have jobs. Of course you are better off.

If you really thought you were not, surely you would give up work?

Cocoflower · 25/08/2011 21:04

Of course we will work because thats how you get up the ladder and get a life and not merely an exsistance. Also it uses our talents, skills and makes us feel satisfied and is a part of self-esteem.

Plus you cannot underestimate the importance of being able to leave a good inheritance (mainly in the form of a property) for your children.

However, in the meantime you see the frustration until the improvement comes?

Cocoflower · 25/08/2011 21:06

Although I think I might try SAHM thing for a while when dc2 is born in (gulp) a few weeks!

But I personally see being a SAHM just as valid as anything you can do with your life (and no we will not get any benefits!)

Blueberties · 25/08/2011 21:08

Oh full time carers. Now there's a group that's hard done by. Carers of disabled and elderly people must be just about the one group I would wholeheartedly and without reserve vote to give more money and support to. In fact I'd like to see all the money defrauded and half the funds that incentivise pregnancy to go to carers.

And that is no attempt to curry favour - no chance of that and not much desire to.

Blueberties · 25/08/2011 21:10

"But if you gave up work coco you would have no future. You would have nothing of your own. You would be relying on the state for everything.

I can tell you, that is no fun at all. Despite how the media try and make it out to be the life of Riley."

And yet it's a choice for so many people.

Blueberties · 25/08/2011 21:12

"Am I stealing your money, blue? Or am I claiming my rights as set out in the contract the government imposes on me? I pay tax for 30 years, I need help, the government honours our contract. In what way am I taking "your money'? Have I not paid enough in taxes and NI contributions over the years to have that contract honoured? Or are you saying that only those who have paid for 30 years are entitled to benefits?"

What's wrong with people - can't you read? I'm talking about fraudsters.

Blueberties · 25/08/2011 21:13

Oh and people who don't pay anything in, never have, and don't try to get a job.

scrambedeggs · 25/08/2011 21:14

Oh tethers- dont forget the daily mail readers too!

the majority on here are DM readers judging by the number of links posted from there each day :)

thefirstMrsDeVere · 25/08/2011 21:14

But its always been that way. You work hard and you move forward if you are lucky.

Nothing's changed.

All of my wages went on childcare for years and years, OH's wage paid the rent and bills and we saved for a house. We had a couple of jobs each and it was hard work. Whats the difference now?

I am trying hard to word this so it doesnt seem rude but it sounds like you feel entitled. You have jobs, you are paying your way, you are moving up the ladder - what do you feel you should get?

I am being genuine and really not having a dig. When we were starting out we just go on with it. We didnt expect anything. We got by and hoped that things would change. They did for a bit and it felt bloody brilliant. Then it changed again and thank God for the welfare system and the good luck we had before we had all the bad stuff.

thefirstMrsDeVere · 25/08/2011 21:16

blue what its a choice for people who have jobs and then decide to give them up and live on benefits?

How many?

How do you know this?

Most people I know are doing all they can to hang onto their jobs however crappy or badly paid.

Blueberties · 25/08/2011 21:18

I wouldn't have thought that many people were giving up jobs to live on benefits but I don't know. It's people who stayed on benefits when jobs were available that pee me off.

thefirstMrsDeVere · 25/08/2011 21:23

There are always going to be lazy feckers.
People whose horizons are so narrow they cannot see anything other than the life they already lead.

They have always existed and they always will.

I dont trouble myself with people like that. I dont want their life. Its crap. Its boring and you are treated like trash.

Its nothing to envy yet we are encouraged to feel jealous of these people.

I simply will not be drawn into that crap by the likes of the DM.

Cocoflower · 25/08/2011 21:30

Because it highly frustrating to people who have done years of studying, got student debt, get up at 6am, get home 12 hours later, balance childcare, have huge stress and find someone who does nothing gets the same or possibly more!

I do not see how you cannot see that is dishearting to so many people?

Blueberties · 25/08/2011 21:33

just because there are always going to be lazy feckers doesn't mean I can't say I don't like the lazy feckers taking my tax money

I bloody don't like it - what's the Daily Mail got to do with it? do they make it happen? do they facilitate it? do it make the problem worse than it otherwise would be?

er no - I don't like it whether it's reported in the paper or not

and I'm not jealous - I just want them to take their hands off my money

usualsuspect · 25/08/2011 21:35

Whats disheartening is being made redundant in your 50s and having to sign on, and being made to feel like the lowest of the fucking low by people who believe all they read

and there are plenty more people being put in that position right now

Blueberties · 25/08/2011 21:37

Well not by people like me.

If you want to assume all benefit claimants are the same as all fraudsters and lazy feckers with a choice then that's up to you.

It's you putting the two groups together - not me.

tethersend · 25/08/2011 21:40

It's not your money, Blue.

If it's your money, then it's their money and they can do what they bloody well like with it.

Why is it one rule for you and another for them?

Blueberties · 25/08/2011 21:41

Yes, it's my money. It's being spent by another agency on my behalf. And I don't like it going to fraudsters and lazy feckers.

tethersend · 25/08/2011 21:42

Cocoflower · 25/08/2011 21:42

Intresting usual... I can see why you get so defensive now...

But usual as Blue says this is not about you

Its about fraud, and that excludes you.

You are lumping yourself together with them, you must stop this mentality. You are NOT the same!

thefirstMrsDeVere · 25/08/2011 21:43

I find it quite disheartening that I have been subsidising other people's education for the last almost 40 years and now its my DS's turn its going to cost a fucking fortune.

Those people getting 'more' than you coco are working. Thats why they get WTC. Why do you think they work less hard than you do? I know plenty of jobs that pay very little but the hours are long and the work is hard.

Blue the Daily Mail likes to find an extreme example and peddle it like its the norm. It isnt. But it whips people up into a frenzy of indignation and envy.

What are the figures? Where are the real stats? What are the true stories behind the headlines?

I want to know that stuff before I get too worried about who has their hands on my money.

My money also pays the wages of some very well off people who think its perfectly ok to be creative with their expenses claims. My money goes on sending 19 year olds away to get their legs blown off, my money goes on consultancy fees infact my money goes on a whole heap of crap that I am not keen on.

Some twat in a trackie who thinks his life begins and ends with a spliff and daytime tv is the least of my worries.

usualsuspect · 25/08/2011 21:44

Don't patronise me Coco

I don't give a stuff what other people think of me

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