To be irritated by people who say they can't lose weight?

[BeerSnake]

umm just eat less and get out more. Or am I being unreasonable?

FabbyChic Firstly and foremost and underactive thyroid does not make you fat.

BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT and more fucking BULLSHIT!

Found after a 2 sec search . . . (I am sure though Fabby that they are all wrong and you are right

Symptoms of hypothyroidism

Hypothyroidism usually develops gradually. The symptoms are mild, and you may not even notice them at first. This is called subclinical hypothyroidism.

Hypothyroidism causes a general slowing down of your body's functions. Some of the symptoms include:

feeling tired and sleeping a lot
feeling the cold easily
dry and/or pale skin
coarse, thinning hair and brittle nails
sore muscles, slow movements and weakness
a hoarse or croaky voice
a change in facial expression
depression
problems with memory and concentration
<strong>weight gain</strong>
constipation
fertility problems and increased risk of miscarriage
heavy, irregular or prolonged menstrual periods
a slow heart rate

I used to be size 10-12 till last year when I got diagnosed with RA - guess what some days I can't even walk to my own front door never mind exercise....

IggyPup just so you know you are not alone. There are some of us who can't simply lose weight by cutting down the number of cream cakes.

I did lose my excess weight eventually, but it took a year of barely eating at all. Even with heavy daily exercise it is not possible for me to eat even the amounts recommended by a dietician. Not then and not ever.

My GP insisted that I was going to damage myself if I stuck to it, but as I pointed out I had tried her method and I gained weight. I had tried the dieticians advice and gained weight.

Whatever research/calculations they were going by clearly don't apply to the whole population and that need not come as a surprise since that is true for many things.

Maybe it's a good thing. Perhaps we use food more efficiently than those posters shouting that it is easy. Perhaps they are defective in some way. Or perhaps their calories escape as hot air.

I can't believe there are people thick enough to think that when someone says they can;t lose weight they mean, "even if I starved myself".

Of course, if we starved ourselves we'd all lose weight.

But it's DANGEROUS

Funnily enough, most people would prefer to lose weight safely.

Right now, I have to accept that there is no safe way to lose weight for me. I am so physically limited that in order to eat less calories than I use, I'd have to stop eating altogether.

So while technically I could lose weight, in all honestly, I cannot.

And if that makes me irritating? Well tough shit.

Unless someone has a recognised medical condition, which accounts for all of the weight, YANBU.

i dont get what the big deal is in saying 'i am fat because i eat to much, exercise too little but i dont care/have other priorities'.

Its not as simple as that though is it. Its like me saying 'smokers cant give up because they are too lazy/dont try'

aftereight, Interesting point, there are a lot of autoimmune diseases which make people incredibly exhausted and tired.
I am still being investigated for APS and lupus and there have been days when I would get up for 5 minutes and feel exhausted again. RA is also very painful for your joints I know.
There are also thyroid problems which many people don't even know they have or recognise.

TheRealTillyMinto - I am going to post my first comment on this thread again, in the hopes of educating you a bit about this subject - because it is not as simple as you and the OP are making it out to be. Please read this, and try to have an open mind - especially on the points about how difficult it is to exercise when you are heavy (strain on joints etc), the hormonal effects of fat, and the comments about self esteem.

"In an article in the Guardian this week, a researcher and nutrition coach called Kristin Dixon-Scott is quoted as saying that "fat is a metabolically active organ. It's not just storage, it actually secretes hormones that affect your energy levels". So in short "even if you don't really feel much pain, you just feel like crap."

This certainly jibes with how I feel - I am very overweight - nearly twice my ideal weight - and have struggled with my weight since my teenage years. I suspect part of the reason I have put on weight is because I was bullied as a teenager - strangely being overweight seems to make me invisible, and maybe that was subconsciously what I wanted.

Also, when you are carrying around a lot of excess weight, that is bloody knackering, as well as putting a lot of strain on your joints and back - and that makes exercise very difficult. It is easy to say, just take a 15-20 minute walk each day, but if I walk much past the end of our road, I get back ache. In the late spring, a friend and I did a 4 mile walk with our dogs (2 miles out, a rest at a cafe, and 2 miles back) and I could barely walk upstairs by the time I got home - and the next few days were agony.

Plus I have been struggling with depression since the bullying, though it was only diagnosed after I had the dses - and even then it was initally thought to be PND - it's only when it didn't go away that we looked deeper and a psychotherapist told me that it is not normal to be suicidal at 14 (as I was). Strange as it may sound, that was news to me.

I suffer from catastrophically low self esteem, and can honestly say that I don't like myself very much - and it is not easy to look after yourself if you don't like yourself - you are much less motivated to care for something you don't like. I have sometimes considered that I may be (subconsciously) committing suicide very slowly by not caring for my weight - who knows.

But the one thing I am not is stupid. I don't need the OP to tell me how to lose weight - but if they walked a mile in my shoes, in my skin, in my mind and emotions, they would not tell me glibly that it was so easy."

OOH MNHQ is making free with the delete button today! I totally stand by my post, deleted or not! How dare you make such sweeping assumptions and condemnations about FAT people! Apart from anything else, what does my size have to do with you?
Do you smoke OP? Because if you do, IMO that makes you a total and utter twunt! Doesnt mean that I will start a post about it and condemn you and all of your kind for it though!
There are many reasons for being overweight, medical, phsycological or social to name but a few. When you look at a fat person, do you see someone with thyroid problems? or Prader Willie (SP) syndrome? Do you see someone with a history of abuse? or mental problems? Someone with low self esteem who uses food as a punishment, or a crutch? Do you see someone who lives in an underpriviledged area, with a lack of education? Who wouldnt know a vegetable if it bit them???
NO. Because you see a FAT PERSON. They are greedy, and indulgent and have only themselves to blame.
Well its not that simple. Unfortunately however, you are!
My advice to you, is to get a grip, go and taake a long, hard look at your perfect self in the mirror, and then go get a life!

"Well its not that simple. Unfortunately however, you are!"

SDTG Very true, I know my body has worked itself into a stupid situation. Got ill - couldn't move - piled on weight - even less able to move - on comes more weight. And on and on.

Just trying to keep an even weight is hard enough, losing it though? That one just feels hopeless :(

I notice I've been deleted too - all I said was something to the effect that my own personal experience of having been fat and then losing weight has not made me a twunt lacking in empathy for others (or words to that effect) - not sure what is so explosive about that statement

hmc loads of posts have been deleted, lot of censorship is going on, I am surprised the tread is still standing.

I told the OP to fuck the fuck off! Whats wrong with that?

ooooh.

My innocuous li'l statement got deleted.

How odd.

It's obviously become a lot more exciting around here in my absence.

I'm irritated by poor people. Just earn more and spend less, surely it's as easy as this?

yabu ,i m exercise intolerant. so are a lot of people.

FabbyChic I have an underactive thyroid and it did not cause me to put on 2 stone, eating 6 donuts one after the other, sweets and shit did.

Has it occured to you that the reason you were eating donut after donut was because of the thyroid problem? Thyroid problems cause tiredness. A common thing to do when tired is to snack on sugary stodgy foods (ie, Donuts!) Has this really never occured to you?

I'm quite overweight as I put on a lot of weight when I became ill with me/cfs and was suddenly very limited in any activity I could do. Prior to that I was a very active person, part of a rambling group etc and could usually shift weight by cutting back and a bit of exercise.

Once the exercise was out of the question it became very hard- partly because I was home a lot and ate out of boredom/comfort, partly because I needed so many less calories than I was accustomed to, partly because I couldn't use exercise to help lose weight.

I'm not as limited physically as I was and I have lost some weight but its such a hard battle to actually change habits/ make yourself eat less/etc when you really struggle with these things.

I wouldn't find it hard to give up alcohol (Well, a bit hard but not very) whereas for an alcoholic it can be a lifelong battle. We are all different.

I've had my first delete! Can't believe it when people are putting noone came out of Belsen / Auschwitz over weight! Who would have thought the f word was more offensive than that!

i think just eat less fat
calorie count
move about when you can
praise all little losses
start anew everyday

oh yes and state the farking obvious

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