To report staffie to police for attacking my DD 14 wk old puppy?

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Last evening my daughter and her partner were walking their puppy past some houses on an extendable lead.
Staffie tears down his driveway which had no gate and picks puppy up by his back and shakes him.
The lead was extended so wrapped around dog and daughter and boyfriends legs.
Boyfriend bitten on wrist by puppy as he tried to pull him away from the dog. He managed to get him out of the dogs mouth and handed him to my daughter.
The staffie then jumped up and got puppy by the back legs and dragged him out of my daughters arms. Now in the middle of the road.
My daughter was screaming, she thought Puppy would die.
Young boy aged about 10 saunters down the drive, totally uninterested attitude and gets staffie off puppy. without a collar on!
Four men from across the road also tried to help before boy came down the drive.
This dog could so easily do that to a toddler walking past the house.
Will the police do anything to help?
This dog could have history. He had no collar on and loose in the garden. What if he kills a child one day when it could have been pervented?
They should pay the vets bills which will run into the £100's but we dont want to approach them personally. Would the police help? Could we take it to the small claims court?
What if the puppy doesn't pull through. My poor daughter she is devastated.

Sorry the pup got hurt but why was a 14 week old puppy being walked on an extendable lead down the street? Is that not a bit early?

Murder is the unlawful killing of another person. Not of a dog or any other animal. Sorry, DBF, but you don't improve your case by treating the killing of a dog as murder.

I do not know whether a dog which attacks a puppy is more or less likely to attack a human, especially a child, than other dogs. But I don't want to find out.

DailyDaisy the biggest problem with dogs is the person at the end of the lead. Your story about your neighbour has proved this perfectly - she got bitten by her own dog because she behaved in completely the wrong way.

DBF

Calm down love.

DailyDaisy the biggest problem with dogs is the person at the end of the lead. Your story about your neighbour has proved this perfectly - she got bitten by her own dog because she behaved in completely the wrong way.

FFS the dog had been attacked. No wonder it bit, it was injured and scared. You are blaming the wrong person, the irresponsible dog owners of the staffie are to blame.

Murder??? Ffs how many abandoned dogs get pts every single day in the UK? They gas them. The only difference is that it is behind closed doors. I stand by what I say, I would have no hesitation in shooting a dog if it was out of control and attacking me or my dog if unprovoked. A bit different if it is a fight, one of my dogs is a bit funny with other dogs, if he got bitten in a fight it would be different. If my beautiful passive elderly deerhound got attacked when he was just walking down the road then yes I would happily shoot the bastard. No hesitation. You can't automatically scream offensive if you don't agree with someone. I personally find you describing shooting or euthanising a feral dog as murder. Ridiculous.

milkmilklemonade you are in deep shit now - DBF regards pts as another form of murder and has said so on another thread!

Er yes ...14 weeks?

"Murder??? Ffs how many abandoned dogs get pts every single day in the UK?"

Yes, murder. The deliberate taking of a life.

No-one has accurate figures - there are those which are killed and those deaths covered up, something which I know to occur, as well as those who are taken directly to the vets to be killed by their owners.

Plus the racing Greys who go "missing" etc etc.

So the answer is - I don't know. No-one does. I'm just one of those who actively works to prevent it and pick up the pieces.

"They gas them"

That's bollocks.

You don't actually know a damn thing about the UK pound situation or UK law on this issue, do you?

So, did your dd or her boyfriend not say to the boy 'go get your dad/mum, look what's happened'? Or something along those lines?

I can feel the pain as head and brick wall make violent contact, but let's hear it again:

Murder is the deliberate taking of human life.

Making the smallpox virus was not murder. Not is smoking out a wasps' next. But wasps are living creatures and so was the virus.

Andrew murder also means "to kill brutally or inhumanely".

Whatever - it's quicker to type than "the deliberate, immoral and inhumane killing of an innocent and healthy dog or other animal by some sick human cunt."

Bloody Hell I am a bit scared. I hate these types of thing, I am quite thick skinned but leave minute sad sometimes at the aggressive and unkind behaviour of people. Go and bully someone else. You have stated we do not agree on this, now leave it.

Which dictionary are you quoting from, DBF?

Concise Oxford Dictionary: the unlawful premeditated killing of a human being by another.

Killing a dog in an inhuman fashion is cruelty to animals, which I don't for a moment condone. Killing somebody else's dog unless in defence of a human (or a farm animal) is criminal damage. Neither of those offences is murder.

Milk

All I did was answer your question, that no-one knows the actual figures of pound murder, give a very brief outline as to why and call you, allbeit bluntly, on your glaring inaccuracy. That inaccuracy was put to me in a sneering tone - "Murder??? Ffs how many abandoned dogs get pts every single day in the UK?" - as if I don't know what goes on in pounds.

Unfortunately for you I do. All too well. And when you went on to tell an untruth as part of an attempt to justify your earlier remark that you advocate killing feral dogs, I called you on it. That's all. I told you it was bollocks and rhetorically asked whether you know a thing about UK pounds or the law surrounding them.

And now you're crying "Bully!"....

What does that make the person who would shoot an innocent, if feral, dog?

May I point something out here to any puppy owners reading.

I'm not a trainer, as you know/have gathered I'm a rescuer so please don't take this as gospel, check it out with your own experts, but the trainers I know and have spoken to on the subject would never advocate the use of an extendable lead in the street as there is insufficient control and ability to move with speed and a dangerous potential to give the pup far too much range. the sight of another dog/cat/whatever across the road and that longer length of lead could give the pup scope to get under the wheels of an oncoming car.

I'm sorry, but to draw comparisions between dogs being killed (which is terrible I agree) and murder (which is the taking of a human life) is really insulting to some people.

Morrisey used exactly the same argument to compare the Norwegian massacre and MacDonalds

The fact is, blinkineck, that some of our friends who are keen on animals lose all sense of proportion.

"I'm sorry, but to draw comparisions between dogs being killed (which is terrible I agree) and murder (which is the taking of a human life) is really insulting to some people."

Just as it's really insulting to most of those I know and all of those I work alongside to advocate the deliberate, immoral and inhumane killing of an innocent and healthy dog or other animal by some sick human cunt.

Or "murder", as it's otherwise known by me and my peers.

"As it's otherwise known by you and your peers".

Quite. I suppose if you define your own terms according to your own dictionary you can make anything right. If my peers and I define the noise a dog makes by the words which other people use for the noise a cat makes then for us Fido will go Meow, meow, but other people may rightly regard us as just a bit strange.

I don't advocate the inhumane killing of a dog; your use of the word immoral begs the question; as for deliberate - if the dog is a danger to humans or farm animals, or a nuisance - certainly.

So where do you stand on the Norway/McDonalds comparison then DogsBestFriend?

or smallpox virus?

I don't know enough about the smallpox virus to discuss in detail so can't comment though I suspect that my view would be the same as for McDonalds, likewise any form of needless animal slaughter.

Murder.

Morrisey can't sing for toffee but he has some redeeming features.

DogsBestFriend.

If the government suddenly decided to murder everybody who was a benefit claimant would that morally be in no way different to what happens in the pounds?

If you truly believe that there is no difference at all, then I think your moral compass needs to be reset.

DBF, you will probably read this post with disgust and I apologise in advance. We used to euthanise 10 - 15 dogs per week, mainly staffs and greyhounds. In the main, they were healthy, very friendly dogs. The owner of the "rescue kennels" said those breeds were impossible to rehome. I disliked her, she never gave those breeds a chance. I never hardened to it, I cried in the loos afterwards.

OP, I will second the advice given re extending leads. All it takes is a split second, an inch or two off the pavement and that is it. After seeing two families go through the trauma of losing their dogs in this way, I'm not keen on them.

I hope your pup is okay, but second DBF's advice re socialising with bull breeds.

My lab was attacked several times in our local park, once by a lab, twice by a dalmation and once by a JRT. She was a rescue from work, battered and broken so much that it took three months of hospitalisation to heal her, and a further year working on basic training as she hadn't been trained at all. Now I'm having to start all over again with socialisation as she is so fearful. Please seek a good local class to take your dog to, your vet should be able to recommend a suitable one.

I hope everything works out okay for you.