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To report staffie to police for attacking my DD 14 wk old puppy?

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pippala · 21/08/2011 13:00

Last evening my daughter and her partner were walking their puppy past some houses on an extendable lead.
Staffie tears down his driveway which had no gate and picks puppy up by his back and shakes him.
The lead was extended so wrapped around dog and daughter and boyfriends legs.
Boyfriend bitten on wrist by puppy as he tried to pull him away from the dog. He managed to get him out of the dogs mouth and handed him to my daughter.
The staffie then jumped up and got puppy by the back legs and dragged him out of my daughters arms. Now in the middle of the road.
My daughter was screaming, she thought Puppy would die.
Young boy aged about 10 saunters down the drive, totally uninterested attitude and gets staffie off puppy. without a collar on!
Four men from across the road also tried to help before boy came down the drive.
This dog could so easily do that to a toddler walking past the house.
Will the police do anything to help?
This dog could have history. He had no collar on and loose in the garden. What if he kills a child one day when it could have been pervented?
They should pay the vets bills which will run into the £100's but we dont want to approach them personally. Would the police help? Could we take it to the small claims court?
What if the puppy doesn't pull through. My poor daughter she is devastated.

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worraliberty · 21/08/2011 18:06

How do you know it's the patner's house? The he could have referred to the dog...not the partner.

Mitmoo · 21/08/2011 18:07

Why are dog lovers attacking the OP? She has been through a horrendous ordeal with her child and her puppy and is also a dog lover.

The owners have a large dog that they have not trained nor are they controlling it. Irresponsible dog owners are everyone's enemy, the pet they shouldn't have in the first place if they are not willing to give the time to training it, they are dog owners worst enemy when they attack other dogs uncontrolled by their owners, and they instill fear when they see a puppy ripped apart that it could be a child.

If you truely love dogs, don't attack the OP, attack the irresponsible owners who have failed to train or control their large dogs. They are the true enemies, not the OP whose daughter was traumatised and puppy injured.

That is not her fault, that is the fault of the owner of the large dog who are thoroughly irresponsible.

ProfessionallyOffendedGoblin · 21/08/2011 18:09

Trois, are you assuming that the OP's DD is a child?

BeerTricksPotter · 21/08/2011 18:09

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Mitmoo · 21/08/2011 18:13

Beertricks they are strong dogs then they're not chihuahua's or Spitz. It doesn't matter what legal breed they are the people to blame are the irresponsible dog owners not the OP whose daughter has been traumatised and whose partners puppy has been injured.

I get so angry at irresponsible dog owners, I can't understand for the life of me why dog lovers are going after the OP. She is not the one who owns a large/strong dog and fails to control it.

Ephiny · 21/08/2011 18:14

Indeed, Staffies are small-medium dogs. I do wonder if some people have ever actually seen one - I remember another thread on here where someone was claiming Staffies weighed 12 stone!

Size is not especially relevant, the worst dog-on-dog attack I've ever seen was by a Jack Russell and they're tiny.

Ephiny · 21/08/2011 18:17

And I'm sure that if the owners were on here, we'd certainly be 'going after' them. But as far as I know they're not.

No one has said the OP is unreasonable to be upset and to report the incident, or that the owners' negligence is in ANY way acceptable. But she is being unreasonable with all the nonsense about child-killing etc, that's just breed-prejudice and ignorance and there's quite enough of it about already!

BeerTricksPotter · 21/08/2011 18:17

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Shakirasma · 21/08/2011 18:19

Nobody is suggesting the attack should not be reported. Of course it should, it was serious!
However many posters, myself included, have quite legitimately pointed out that any hysterical, alarmist claims that this dog is a danger to children must be stopped if the police or council are to take her seriously.
She needs to stick to the facts and drop the over emotional bullshit or they will dismiss the seriousness of the event.
That's not getting at the OP, that's being helpful IMO

DontGoCurly · 21/08/2011 18:20

Who cares what type of dog it was. It's irrelevant.

It attacked an innocent puppy and mauled it. The description of the way 12 year old boy that eventually sauntered out indicates that these owners view their dog attacking and potentially killing another dog with casual indifference.

How dare they. This dog is obviously vicious and unpredictable and should be at least kept locked uo.

FFS it's a no-brainer.

ProfessionallyOffendedGoblin · 21/08/2011 18:21

I said that, and I am a dog disliker. Smile
I think the advice from dog owners has been very sensible. DBF even gave a list of the order to report things in and to whom.

WhereYouLeftIt · 21/08/2011 18:21

troisgarcons, I truly don't get why you think this happened at OP's DD's partner's house. A later post by OP states "... she [OP's DD] is going to drive down the road later and take note of the house number invloved and the four witnesses." I think the DD would know the number of her partner's house without having to do a drive-by. And I repeat - Who is the non-adult witness in all this?

DontGoCurly · 21/08/2011 18:22

locked up

rogersmellyonthetelly · 21/08/2011 18:26

Regardless of breed, the dog was out of control, and should be either indoors or in an enclosure where it can't be a danger to other dogs.
Beertricks is correct, staffs are only little really, but people get so hung up by their reputation. We had a classic in the pub this afternoon, took our 6mo staff pup out for lunch with us, every kid in the pub was patting her and stroking her, happy waggy dog with her cute staffy smile, one of kids parents comes out to get kids, almost faints when she sees what breed the "really cute doggy" is and all fun is immediately curtailed. What a shame for the kids and the pup.

DogsBestFriend · 21/08/2011 18:27

"Dogsbestfriend and southmum i beg to differ.
Have you never heard of young children being mauled by staff/pit bull types?
How many times have we read in the papers about young children being killed by grandparents/uncles dogs
Dogs DO attack babies and children."

OP, I do not base my judgement on what I've "heard" - for which you mean read in the papers - but on fact, cold, hard solid evidence and a considerable number of years experience.

I did not say that dogs do not attack humans, be they children or adults. I said that there is NO proven correlation between dog-aggression and human-aggression.

How many times do I "hear" of it?

A fuck site less times than my own children have worked with, handled and interacted with rescue dogs.

A fuck site less times than my own children have gone to sleep with a German Shepherd, a Staffie or a Staffie cross on their beds, to name a few.

A fuck site less than I read "Two large German Shepherds share fresh bread with child", which is what's happening in my house right now, just as thousands of kids are sharing food, time and a home with large/powerful/much maligned dogs across the country right this very minute. I won't read that sort of headline because it isn't news, it isn't unusual.

The "pit bull types" you speak of generally have their breed decided by journalists and not dog experts, long before the experts even get to look at the dog in question . Please remember that it takes a lengthy court case with expert witnesses of many years experience to determine what is and what is not an APBT or an APBT "type". That's why most vets and even we rescuers, who see all sorts, cannot say for sure that a dog is a Pit or Pit type or not. We can have a good idea, hazard a better guess than the man in the street - and certainly the bloody Fleet Street hack - but that's about it.

Even with the advice of expert witnesses in a court of law the definition of an APBT or "Type" is NOT an exact science but involves such considerations as muzzle and leg measurements. Not only do I doubt if the journalists who declare that an attacking dog is a Pit or a Pit "Type" have the same skills as these expert witnesses, I equally doubt that they've met the dogs they're declaring are Pits and have got their tape measures out to prove it either!

Please - you are falling for and adding to exactly the type of bullshit and hyperbole that I was referring to. It costs lives but the victims of that bullshit are not human ones.

Mitmoo · 21/08/2011 18:29

Beertricks Unless I have misspelt it my Mums German Spitz was a little dog.

The fact remains the OP is a responsible caring dog owner whose puppy has been mauled by a much larger stronger dog with thoroughly irresponsible owners. A ten year old isn't even phased by seeing a mauled puppy, my son would be thoroughly distraught and devastated to even witness it.

People direct the anger where it belongs and that is not with the OP.

DogsBestFriend · 21/08/2011 18:32

" feral dogs should be shot, they are only dogs at the end of the day."

milkmiklemonade we've "met" on here before.

You were talking offensive bollocks then too.

BeerTricksPotter · 21/08/2011 18:33

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DogsBestFriend · 21/08/2011 18:36

ARGH!

I'm sorry, I meant:

"A fuck site MORE than I read "Two large German Shepherds share fresh bread with child"... "

milkmilklemonade · 21/08/2011 18:40

whatever, I am not interested in minute personal insults, just feel sorry for the puppy.

DogsBestFriend · 21/08/2011 18:41

Ephiny... I remember the joker who was adamant that Staffies weighed 12 stone on average!

DogsBestFriend · 21/08/2011 18:42

As we both do, milk, the difference is that we are not both advocating the murder of other dogs.

LineRunner · 21/08/2011 18:43

Twelve stone??!! A staffie?? Naaaaah. Unless they weighed it on Jupiter.

DogsBestFriend · 21/08/2011 18:47

"Twelve stone??!! A staffie?? Naaaaah. Unless they weighed it on Jupiter."

:o

PMSL LineRunner - and GSD1 has just come running, most concerned because he thought I was crying!

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