Be careful what you wish for you totalitarian tw~*ts

[Tortington]

becuase that freedom that you want taken away...might very well be

g'night

So the answer is??

That was to Norman!

I have a shop in south London which attracts women consumers across all races.

100% of thefts in past four years have been commited by black women in pairs often with young children in tow (70%) and gypsy types; again in pairs (30%)

If the police couldn't stop and search, what good would they be? They'd never clear up a crime. It's part of policing.

We can't stop the police doing their job, they have enough constraints on them already.

Any little twat who refers to them as Da Fedz needs shipping off to the States to meet the real Feds.

Don't have one, just stating a fact

SirSugar My friend has a clothes shop in Essex, she has the same problems with the same ethnic groups. While we bury our heads about race issues for fear of being branded racist these problems won't ever be tackled.

I think it's too easy to dismiss this as people doing it out of badness otherwise it would go on much more frequently.

It's easy to dismiss social aspects as giving rise to criminality but it is well documented.

Are you saying the young people just acted out of some badness? I am not excusing them but saying that surely these youngsters are the product of something we have produced as a society.

Personally I would impose a curfew and arrest anyone on the streets after this time. I would do this over the weekend.

Then I would ask Cameron if he really thinks we are a in this together, and if he enjoyed his holiday in Tuscany.

Some people have a shit life and do something about it. Some have a shit life and expect someone else to do something about it. Personal responsibility is ALL in this world.

I would see anyone involved in the looting/violence rounded up. I don;t give a shit who does it or how they do it. I aslo care not about 'freedoms' - I also hope they revoke the human rights act while we're looking at all this.

TheSecondComing. Those crappy jobs were previously done by the white working class for the same money in the same conditions. They are being done now by eastern European immigrants and unskilled English people. Black immigrants were not the first and will not be the last people to do them. It's a very tenuous excuse for shocking behaviour and attitude.

DomeDon Totally agree.

I agree with TSC, SAF and Wasting.
As a Society we have to look at why on earth so many people think that this mass criminality and complete disregard for others has spread. And spread so quickly and across the country.
These "yobbos" "criminals" whatever haven't just sprung up out of the earth to go on the rob and burn buildings down.

It is completely atrocious behaviour, granted. Beyond contempt. But shouldn't we be addressing why it is happening?

FWIW my family were refugees to the UK and lived in a refugee camp - before the hand wringers come whining.

I think the emotional aspects are a key part- it is a 'buzz' incredibly exciting.

Go ahead Lizzy - why do you (or anyone) think it's happening?

I think a lack of personal responsibility, benefit culture, intrusive 'personal' rights rather than societal values are key factors.

If people are asked to go on interview skill courses or work programs then the state is accused of (gulp) Nazi behaviour, and if they donnt then we are providing no help, leaving people to poverty etc.

Also the idea that EMA and a youth club will solve gang violance just makes me smile!

I think a lack of personal responsibility, benefit culture, intrusive 'personal' rights rather than societal values are key factors.

Domedon, yep, I think you're right.
A complete lack of hope or encouragement for the future. Living where attitudes of disillusionment breed and breed.
Not knowing any different.

Agree, the "buzz" in part as well.

I have no clue what to do about this and am sickened by the footage. I am torn by wanting to throttle the lot of them and wanting to understand why they are doing it.

ffs

I grew up in south London. I am 37. These are not 'black immigrants' these are British people who have grown up in our culture over generations.

Right, have just shed my first angry tears about this

Just watched the footage of the injured young man getting his backpack looted by young men pretending to initially "help" him

The man was injured, confused and there was blood on the street that came from him

I feel sick, and can only hope he had already been looting himself ie. no honour amongst thieves...

Is this what our society (and me) has come to ?

I feel totally sick.

Agree Norman, I thought the looters were a mixture of sex/races.
I don't think this is just a "disaffected young black male" issue.

sorry, not trying to derail the other discussion, this was the first "riots" thread I saw, and had to just write that down

Can we not try to understand and address after we have rounded up/stopped them?

I think lamenting the potential loss of freedoms is daft when people are losing their 'lives' - work places being smashed up, afraid to be out the house.

Taking away people's self respect and autonomy was never going to end well.

Yes it has AF - it started when people first 'rubber necked' at an accident, then 'happy slapped', then walked by when they saw an attack. It is sadly no shock to me that people are vile - they get dragged up and humanity beaten out of them, then off they go to perpetuate the misery.