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BimboNo5 · 06/08/2011 08:51

An establishment like 'Hooters' is pathetic and wrong?

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BimboNo5 · 07/08/2011 13:35

A disabled person who can do the job as well as someone else cannot be discriminated against, yet a person who just happens to not be blessed with looks can be, as we want attractive people working here thank you very much. How does that work then? How is that fair/equal/ok?

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catgirl1976 · 07/08/2011 13:38

No. There are certain jobs where being attractive is a role requirement. This is legal and is not discrimination as the attribute is a requirement of the role.

For example, fashion model, promotion staff, hooters waitress, make up sales woman.

Some jobs require excellent eye sight (eg pilot) and it is not illegal or discrimination to reject candidates who have less than perfect vision as it is a requirement of the role.

The requirement for Hooters staff to be attractive falls into this category and therefore is not classed as discrimination anymore than fashion houses only hiring attractive models or airlines only hiring piltos with perect vision.

Pan · 07/08/2011 13:41

"pans people all that stuff."

I happened to be very proud of my people.

I am pretty sure the basic questions for recruitment would be 1. do you have nice tits? 2. would the 'average bloke' fancy you?
Most other questions will be secondary.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 07/08/2011 13:45

Actually Catgirl, Bimbo has a point. One of the daytime childrens' tv presenters has only part of one arm. When she was first screened, there were myriad complaints from parents who thought it might be distressing for their little darlings to have to see this presenter. Thankfully, they were overruled but the point is, they would have liked her to be away from public gaze and that's fairly recent... in this day and age of enlightenment. Prejudice is still rife.

catgirl1976 · 07/08/2011 13:48

lying that is Shock.

Bimbo do you think Hooters should be banned?

NotDavidTennant · 07/08/2011 14:10

catgirl1976, where is it that you live where there is no discrimination againt disabled people or objectification of women? It sounds like a wonderful place...Hmm

catgirl1976 · 07/08/2011 14:15

I am not saying there isnt. I am pointing out that Hooters employing only attractive females is not illegal under discrimination laws.

Pan · 07/08/2011 14:18

Bimbo asks in the OP if Hooters is pathetic and wrong. It's certainly legal to employ who you want to in the private business. But pathetic and wrong? Def. Yes.

BimboNo5 · 07/08/2011 14:36

Its legal maybe but is it right? Not imo. And its just one step behind 'sorry you have a port wine birth mark on your face, its not very nice to look at so im afraid we cannot employ you'.

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BimboNo5 · 07/08/2011 14:37

Do you really think employing someone who looks good is on a par with a pilot requiring perfect vision? Would you feel endangered being served by a plain/ugly/fat waitress then?

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catgirl1976 · 07/08/2011 14:44

But it is the same as being attractive being a requirement for say being a model etc. It is a role requirement.

worraliberty · 07/08/2011 14:53

Do you really think employing someone who looks good is on a par with a pilot requiring perfect vision? Would you feel endangered being served by a plain/ugly/fat waitress then?

Lol, now whose taking things out of context? That's too funny Grin

Its legal maybe but is it right? Not imo. And its just one step behind 'sorry you have a port wine birth mark on your face, its not very nice to look at so im afraid we cannot employ you'

So just like the fashion industry then and much of the entertainment industry.

Why therefore is your OP aimed specifically at Hooters?

BimboNo5 · 07/08/2011 16:32

It is a 'role requirement' for the safety of others. What a ridiculous argument. Catgirl you might not agree with what I am saying but ive yet to see an acceptable or reasoned counter argument.
My OP is aimed at Hooters because I am not happy with an establishment that is first and foremost a restaurant being able to use sex discrimination as part of its practices. Like ive been saying alllllllllllllllll along Worra.

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worraliberty · 07/08/2011 16:49

Sticky 'l' there or are you getting angry?

That still doesn't answer my question since it's not just Hooters that employ beautiful looking people.

catgirl1976 · 07/08/2011 16:51

I didn't say it was anything to do with safety? I just said it was a role requirement and therefore not subject to discrimination laws, unlike disability which you mentioned?

And you didn't answer my question - do you think Hooters should be banned?

BimboNo5 · 07/08/2011 16:58

In an ideal world I think hooters should be banned yes. First of all lets not deny its out and out sexist I mean to open a restaurant using a name which is slang for breasts and insists their waitresses wear revealing clothing really is not something I think is acceptable as part of a food chain that caters for families and imo is just another way to objectify women as part of everyday life.
And worra, no not angry, bored of repeating the same old points ive already clarified time and time again.

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catgirl1976 · 07/08/2011 17:00

It would be hard for you to continue to support a womans right to chose to work there if they got banned though would it not?

worraliberty · 07/08/2011 17:02

So is it fair to say that 'in an ideal world' you think ladies shouldn't be allowed to make money out of their own bodies/good looks if they wish to do so?

Or is it just that 'in an ideal world' men shouldn't find them attractive and they shouldn't enjoy looking at their bodies that they choose to show off?

BimboNo5 · 07/08/2011 17:07

There are plenty of other places women can work without having to be a piece of meat there to be judged by men and fired when they get fat/old.

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LadyClariceCannockMonty · 07/08/2011 17:09

It's vile. All those saying 'but you see tight tops/straining boobs all the time anyway in the street', I think there's a difference between that and men having a place to go to where women with big tits in tight tops are effectively corralled together for their viewing pleasure while they serve them chicken wings. That it's presented as 'harmless fun' just says something about the insidious nature of misogyny/sexism; the more things are presented as harmless fun, the more they become viewed as such, and anyone who objects to them is humourless or whatever other insult people want to level at them.

catgirl1976 · 07/08/2011 17:11

But Bimbo exactly. There are plenty of other places women can work. But some of them CHOSE to work at Hooters despite that.

BimboNo5 · 07/08/2011 17:13

Exactly Lady.

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BimboNo5 · 07/08/2011 17:16

But thats a moot argument if Hooters was banned is it not?
I really dislike the normalisation of sexualising women and girls in everyday culture, everywhere we look these days magazines, papers, tvs girls and women are objectified in every way. I do not agree with this happening in a bloody restaurant as well and the less it happens the better. If this makes me bitter, humourless, opressed or any of the other words commonly used about people who object to this than so be it.

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LadyClariceCannockMonty · 07/08/2011 17:18

I'm with you, Bimbo! Humourless feminist and proud of it. Grin

HopeForTheBest · 07/08/2011 17:20

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