In this day and age to think

[BimboNo5]

An establishment like 'Hooters' is pathetic and wrong?

Lady the OP has spend the entire thread judging the ladies who choose to work there and the customers who go there.

It's not necessarily a one-way street, though. Yes, women earn money in Hooters (although I suspect if they get 'lots of money' it's through tips exclusively rather than in wages, but that's by the by), but it's for wearing tight tops and working in a place that trades on parading tits and ass. Sorry to repeat myself but capitalism and the exploitation of women and sexuality are inextricably linked.

What's wrong with showing off their tits and arses if they look good and enjoy the attention?

Really, this thread is a bit disturbing now.

If it were a bunch of men pulling cat's bum faces at women choosing to show off their bodies and earn money from it...most of MN would be in uproar, telling them women can do as they damn well please with their own bodies.

Having re-read the thread, I feel pretty confident that Bimbo hasn't made any personal judgements.

Whatmeworry, I can say hand on heart that I'd be disturbed by your Cockfosters chain, for the same reasons really as I'm disturbed by Hooters; because it would be sexist, discriminatory, and aid in commodifying sexuality. (I do love the name though!)

Actually, worra, there was a fairly recent thread by someone whose street/community were putting on a charity carwash where the women of the neighbourhood were to dress in swimming cozzies/bikinis and wash cars for money for charity. The OP was concerned that it didn't send a good message to young girls (or anyone really) and a lot of respondents agreed with her. Not exactly the same issue, but quite similar.

worra, sorry, that 'Actually' sounded really snotty and I didn't mean to ? I was going for more along the lines of 'I remember ...'

She's made judgements throughout, including some incredible man bashing...considering a lot of Hooter's customers are female. Yet she's made no references at all to the female customers 'perving' etc...

No it didn't sound snotty at all to me

Personally though, if I had seen the thread I would have posted to say it sounds like harmless fun as long as they scantily clad volunteers were over 18 and not forced into doing it.

Perhaps (straight) men and (straight) women go to Hooters for different reasons ...

And gay women?

Perhaps is the key word there but yet the OP has chosen to brand the male customers 'leering pervs' because they appreciate the bodies the waitresses choose to show off.

Worra im pretty confident the vast majority of the men who choose to frequent hooters aren't doing so to appreciate the wings....and ive no attacked anyone for working at Hooters. I judge the company and its concept and freely admit this. People are free to wear what they like but im sorry a company that basically calls itself tits and encourages women to dress in a uniform that shows off the workers bodies is pure sexist imo and that is never going to change.

Company name- sexist and pertaining to breasts
Company logo- sexist and pertaining to breasts
Only females can be servers- sexist.
Skimpy uniform- sexist.
Can anyone actually point out what ISNT sexist about Hooters?
Im sure all you women saying yes its fine that only women can be waiting staff there think we should go back to the days when firefighters were all male, soldiers were all male etc?

So you're not judging the women for wanting to work there, but you're judging the men and women who go there?

Weird....

So you don't judge those who dress in a provocative manner and enjoy being looked at....but you do judge those who enjoy looking at them?

I wonder why people think this is alright in 2011? Do you have daughter and do you want them to choose this is a means of earning money? Or a son and you want him to frequent somewhere which portrays such a negative view of women? Very strange indeed

Bimbo, I think you are absolutely on the ball with your desire to question whether this type of establishment should have a place in mainstream society, which is where Hooters market themselves. Although I haven't read all of this so not sure of every comment you have made.

Surely it is wrong for young women to have to present themselves in this way? The people who think it is fine are so far detached from the people I know, it is unbelievable.

Of course it's wrong for women to have to present themselves this way

But they don't have to. Thankfully we live in a free country where they can choose to do as they please without being told to cover up if they want to show their bodies off and earn money at the same time.

Worra its not an issue of what women choose to wear. Its an issue about the questionable morals of a company that sexualises women.

Duh worra in order to work in this company, you have topresent yourself in this way, was my point. Sorry you misread it to suit your (unsavoury) argument.

But the company couldn't sexualise women if the women didn't want to work there.

Say Hooters closed down and some women decided they wanted to dress in skimpy clothing and serve food/drinks while enjoying the attention that would bring....would they not simply open their own venue in which to do that?

It's supply and demand. While there are women who want to do this kind of job and men and women who want to eat/drink in these places, they'll always exist.

And so they should as long as the people involved are doing it of their own free will and perfectly happy.

Well im glad someone else can see the glaringly obvious here! Well said Braw!

Braw I didn't misread it and my argument is as good as anyone elses on this chat forum...I'm not really sure why it should be seen as 'unsavoury'?

Supply and demand, eating food- there is no way dressing in skimpy outfits makes it more possible does it?

Supply and demand as in women wanting to show off their bodies while serving and men and women wanting to view them while eating/drinking.

But I'm sure you knew what I meant.