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AIBU?

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To feel very upset that I wont ever know what it feels like to give birth naturally?

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SchrodingersMew · 30/07/2011 12:43

I've had a horrible couple of weeks. Had problems with fetal movement, hospitalised as they thought I was developing pre eclampsia and now almost unbearable pain due to Hypermobility Syndrome and the weight causing problems with my hips.

From the start I have wanted a very natural birth; only G+A, water birth, skin to skin etc. But was told yesterday while I was in MAU that they don't recommend I birth naturally and also not to go to 40 weeks as it will cause too much damage to my body. So I will be booked for a Csx sometime between 36 and 38 weeks.
They have also referred me to the psych team as they think I will get PND due to not coping with the pain, I don't know if this is also a reason for telling me to go earlier as I am obviously not in a decent state of mind and had a bit of a break down in the hospital yesterday.

I know I should be relieved that I now will have a date and that I will be in less pain but I can't help to feel upset that I wont know what it feels like to experience a vaginal birth. I have been reading all the birth stories on here the past couple of weeks and it has been getting me excited.

I know I am probably being UR and should just be gratefull that everything is being done to make sure me and DS are safe. :(

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noblegiraffe · 30/07/2011 17:53

will just miss that I didn't get to feel the crazy build up

You mean the months that you, yes you have spent growing him inside your own body count for nothing??

You have created a new life. That's amazing. Especially given the trouble your body has given you, it has still managed to do this.

Oh, and don't worry about missing out on crazy hormones, you'll have plenty of them after the birth!

toptramp · 30/07/2011 17:54

I'm just trying to make the lady feel better happy2behomely. Your fanjo sounds super flexible! I just wouldn't want to be one of the unfortunate ones who has big stiches up there!

TrinaLuciusMalfoy · 30/07/2011 17:55

Schrodinger I am completely with you. I've just been told (despite being told all the way through this pregnancy that I could have a VBAC) that I'm not likely to go into labour with DC2 before my section on Tuesday. (Section was booked to put a finite date on the pregnancy, will be 40+9)

My midwife keeps telling me it doesn't matter how the baby gets here, as long as it gets here - well sorry Mrs, but IT MATTERS TO ME. I experienced a long labour with DD but she got stuck, and as DH isn't too keen on having 3DCs, this was probably my last chance. As I'd gone into labour spontaneously with DD at 40+4 I hoped that it would happen well ahead of 2nd Aug this time - at sweep on Thursday mw informed me that nothing was low enough for this to be likely now :(

I have hypermobility syndrome too, and while it didn't cause any problems with DD has caused crippling hip pain this time around and I've spent the last few weeks in agony. Much as I don't want a section however, I spent 20 minutes on the phone to labour ward begging them to bring the section forward to put an end to the pain - they don't give a shit. I think what I'm saying here is 'try at least to be grateful that an end is in sight, and it could be worse, they could leave you to suffer' - I am all too aware however that this is as patronising and irritating as any of the other 'pacifying' statements HCPs come out with (best one was from HV who I'd gone to trying to get help coping with DD's birth - she just said 'You DO realise if this was 50 years ago you'd probably both be dead?' Stupid woman...)

Long and short of all this is: it sucks. People who haven't been there do not and WILL NOT get it, and there's a lot of arseholes who'll think you had it easier when this just isn't the case. The section itself however is nothing to be worried about - everyone I've spoken to this time around about not wanting another section has assumed it's because I'm scared of the procedure, when I'm really really not. The bit that really got me was the last sentence on the MN section page: 'There are plenty of occasions for maternal guilt, but this isn't one of them. You gave birth. Congratulations.' - er no, MN, actually, I didn't. And it doesn't matter how hard anyone tries to persuade me otherwise.

SchrodingersMew · 30/07/2011 17:55

Noble Of course I didn't mean it like that.

I just meant after all those months of carrying, the last hours of anticipation and hormone driven crazyness.

However maybe I am wrong and it would be completely different from what I imagine.

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Wrigglebum · 30/07/2011 18:10

YANBU at all to feel like that. We are all sold this idea of a perfect home or water birth and some people get that. Others end up with extremely long and difficult labours, third degree tears or c-sections. Due to my narrow pelvis and rather titchy fanjo (apparently) I had very bad tearing and now feel only relief they have told me to have a cs next time.
A natural birth can be amazing or it can be awful but we don't really get to choose. whether you have natural or cs the thing that you will remember most is holding your baby for the first time.

StrawHat · 30/07/2011 18:10

I have had dreams about giving birth, I dream I can feel the head of my baby with my hand. Although because it's a dream there is no pain, I would love to experience it. Like with a lot of things that have terrified me but that I've had to do nonetheless, giving birth is one of those things where I would like to be able to say 'I did that'. And I hope, if there is a next time, I will be able to.
I completely understand where you're coming from schrody you are entitled to have wanted this. But equally, nothing can compare to the first time your baby stops crying just because you have picked them up, or when you see their cute bottom shuffling out of the door for the first time, or when they first give you a proper cuddle, etc ad nauseum.
Life is full of things that you would have wanted different, and full of things you wouldn't change for the world.
Those things can never be the same for everyone :)

SchrodingersMew · 30/07/2011 18:14

StrawHat I haven't experienced any of those things yet, so I am sure once I do I wont care at all about him being born by section or not. :)

You made me go all gooey eyed reading that. :o

Wriggle I think it is all the talk of doing things natural and water births and hypno birthing that does this. I have read so much into it and now I can't. :( I guess with all the natural birthing stuff being sold I didn't think of the need for medical intervention.

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SchrodingersMew · 30/07/2011 18:15

Straw I had that dream too! It was only about a month ago and I actually gave birth. It was amazing.

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cherrypez · 30/07/2011 18:22

I've had a 'normal' birth followed by 6 c sections and would honestly have the 6 sections again over the vaginal birth. They were all AMAZING experiences and virtually pain free. i can also honestly say I feel that I 'gave birth' to all my children.

Doobydoo · 30/07/2011 18:22

I don't think YABU. BUT...it is very good that the medical team are sorted and are going to to the best for you and baby.I have given birth naturally thaen had an emergency section and an elective.To me the missing part was the endorphin rush that you get from giving birth naturally.But the sections did not affect my bonding with my 2 sons.Also I expect they thought it best to mention PND in advance but that dosen't mean you will have it!
All the bestSmile

SchrodingersMew · 30/07/2011 18:27

Thanks Dooby I guess it's that endorphine rush I was looking for, but I'm assuming I will probably be to googly eyed with my little boy to care about hormones at the time.

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ShowOfHands · 30/07/2011 18:44

I do think it matters how you give birth. Or more specifically it matters how you feel about it. Feeling grateful or relieved for being well and having a healthy baby is separate to the feelings of intense sadness and regret around an event in your life which didn't turn out the way you hoped.

In this sort of situation, you can't really measure your feelings against the experiences of other people. Because 'yabu, vb fucking hurts' or 'I've not even got any children, want to trade?' may be heart wrenchingly sad and utterly true facts of other people's lives but it doesn't lessen the feelings you have about your own situation.

It's such an emotive thing. You grow up being told how it's natural, how women in comas can do it, how you will be I am woman, hear me roar and experience this feeling of brilliance. You know it's not something you will ever replicate in another way. Your body won't do anything that ridiculously, incredibly amazing again. That's how it feels anyway.

But the thing is, nothing has actually changed. Nobody goes into labour with any clue as to what will happen or how it will feel. Most women will find that at least some small part of it will be nothing like they planned. Some women will find it almost the opposite of their hopes and dreams. It's just that for you, the changes are happening now, instead of after hours of labouring. Situations transpire at every point of pregnancy or labour which change or prevent labour's progression. What I've found through long introspection is that the gap between your expectations and reality is the one you fall into. I've been there. I planned a natural, home waterbirth. Well after 2 days of that not bloody working at all, I had a blue light transfer, all manner of panic and an emcs. I too struggled with those feelings of failure, of regret, of anger and a thousand things besides. But in the end I realised that I'd done nothing to cause it, there was no blame to apportion. It wasn't anything I controlled anyway and while I was wasting months and years of my dd's life on ptsd and pnd because of the way in which she entered the world, I was forgetting the enormous, brilliant thing that had happend. Simply, that she was here.

It might not have been a story of gentle breathing and her slipping out into water but it's still a bloody important story and there's more to it than procedure, more to it than spinals and the 2 tiny letters cs. There's this whole story of the first time I touched her, the colour of her skin, the noises she made, the way in which she sneezed, how her fingers curled around my hand the second I held her, how I lay in bed with her all night, her huge, blue eyes fixed on mine curiously and I became a Mum. I did it. It's our story. And it will be the same for you. ATM you feel like it's just something that's happening to you. You feel you've lost an opportunity and you're sad about it. But what will actually happen is that you and your baby will go through meeting each other together. And now that you know it will be an elcs, you can actually look forward to certain parts of it with some degree of planning. You can make a cd and you know the day and you can request certain things like skin to skin. You might even find that those little bits of control help you manage this.

And physically it's fine. I had an emcs after a shocking time of trying to have dd naturally. The procedure was relaxed, the spinal not a problem and I was discharged 12hrs post op with no pain, breastfed dd happily and recovered easily.

I won't tell you not to feel upset. Because I think you have to. You have to grieve for the birth you won't be having. And I think your caregivers sound brilliant. They're referring you on for help according to what might potentially happen and they're on the ball. I'd be very reassured by this. Talk, talk, talk and then talk some more. And please come back and tell us all about it when it's done.

And the baby at the end of it all btw? Ye Gods, you have no idea... Grin

StewieGriffinsMom · 30/07/2011 18:52

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SchrodingersMew · 30/07/2011 18:55

ShowofHands Thank you so much for that very emotional long post.

I'm in tears here reading it! Blush I think you have been right in everything you have said. I'm a bit speechless to be honest. That post was lovely and heart warming. :)

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SilverSky · 30/07/2011 18:55

ShowOfHands spot on lady spot on! Smile

Wrigglebum · 30/07/2011 19:36

Yes, we are constantly told birth is natural, women have been doing it for thousands of years and we can all do it. But we should never forget that in the past many women and children died in childbirth.
Don't worry about the PND, I think they want to make sure the help is in place beforehand as once women are in the grip of it they often feel they can't ask for help.
All in all it sounds like you have a good team of people around you who care about the health of you and your baby.

SchrodingersMew · 30/07/2011 19:50

Wriggle The Doctor I got was absaloutly amazing! He came in and sat and said to me he believed how much pain I was in and that he could see it was killing me and that he felt awful he couldn't do more.

At least I know the medical staff are really paying attention and taking care.

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zorgmoid · 30/07/2011 19:58

OP: what showofhands said.

And if you really want to know how it feels to give birth, imagine pooing a watermelon.

smellimelli · 30/07/2011 20:07

I felt exactly the same after the birth of my DD. She was overdue and I had pre eclampsia, I was induced twice and nothing happened so I had a cs.

I never went into labour, missed my waters breaking (which I couldn't wait for!) and felt a complete failure.

The cs itself was calm, with skin to skin straight away. I had some problems but tbh I don't remember them (although DH is still a bit traumatised!). I stayed in 2 nights (and was gagging to get out) and it was only when I got home the sense of failure hit me.

It really helped when I read on the web that many women who had a cs felt like this. It made me feel that what I was feeling was ok.

Another plus for me was as I felt I'd let her down, when I really struggled with breastfeeding I was SO determined to persevere I did! Now that was bloody tough!

We are planning another DC and I will have an elcs. I am still sad that I will never "give birth" but as others have said, the older she gets the less it matters.

Good luck.

vividgingerchilli · 30/07/2011 20:13

Schrodinger, it was horrible - 8 lots of painful contractions every two minutes, being warned that DS would arrive very early etc etc. He luckily made it to 37 weeks by the skin of his teeth.
The consultant made me feel horrible by telling me it was false labour.

SchrodingersMew · 30/07/2011 20:18

Vivid They have said to me a few times that mines might come early too. I really don't know if my hips can hold much longer. :(

I'm really sorry that you all have felt like this.. :( I actually feel bad starting this thread as I feel it's probably dragged up a lot for a lot of posters. :(

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Mitmoo · 30/07/2011 20:21

Dont take any risks, I had eclampsia and ended up in intensive care after "failing" to give birth naturally and had a c-section. Get both of you through safely, anyone can pop melons out of their kippers, its so much more than that to be a Mum.

Mitmoo · 30/07/2011 20:23

Forgot to say this will be the first of a million "sacrifices" you'll make for your child. You will hold them and everything will be forgotten.

noblegiraffe · 30/07/2011 20:31

Why the bloody hell are so many women being made to feel like failures for not achieving the perfect birth experience? It's outrageous.

Mostly, labour and birth is a tears, sweat, blood, vomit and possibly poo-fest. Magical it ain't. It's the baby that's magical. And most women don't have much control in how the baby gets out in the end.

nethunsreject · 30/07/2011 20:42

Very best wishes, Schrodinger. It is natural to feel disappointed, but agree that you do not need to experience childbirth to be a mother. It is a tiny part of being a parent. Recognise the sadness, then let it go. Don't count on PND either. I had a horrendous 2nd pg and then a colicky, refluxy and hospitalised baby and didn't get PND, despite being high risk due to previous PND and general depression. Deal with the now.

All the friends I know who had cs managed to bond very well with their babies, most managed skin to skin and all but one bfed . The one who didn't chose not to, nothing to do with the cs. So don't let that worry you, if it is what you wish to do, of course.

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