to rather intensely dislike Harriet Harman?

[grovel]

Naggy and bossy at the same time. And so tribal.

But this government have made it explicit that they want women/mothers to depend on husbands in preference to the state

Cos, y'know... OBVIOUSLY can't do this on my own...

"otherwise women have to actually have resources directed towards them, we'd have to see them as actual adult citizens rather than wives, society would have to actually change to fit their and their children's needs. we can't have that."
What does this even mean? Do you REALLY think it is the job of society to change to fit "women's needs" and not the role of women (and men) to adapt to society?

I find it staggering that so many people expect other people to cater to their every whim, to have housing, wages, services etc by right, without having to work or do anything off their own back. It's incredibly damaging IMO and is one of the main reason why this country is on an inexorable downward spiral.

But this government have made it explicit that they want women/mothers to depend on husbands in preference to the state
And there is something wrong with this? You do realise that the state = other people? You are relying on other people in one way or another either way.

Cos, y'know... OBVIOUSLY can't do this on my own...
If you can do it on your own, do it on your own. No-one is going to stop you doing that, assuming that is what you actually mean. Is it?

Come back in 20 years when he is a fully grown, and well adjusted adult male. Then you can say you did your job, and didn't need a man to help you. Until then, shut up. How dare you tell someone to shut up for making a statement on their child. How old are your DC, TD?

I find it staggering that so many people expect other people to cater to their every whim, to have housing, wages, services etc by right, without having to work or do anything off their own back. It's incredibly damaging IMO and is one of the main reason why this country is on an inexorable downward spiral. Becuase, of course... EVERY single parent is reliant on the government...

Sorry but I think for someone to say that because their son of nursery school age is "bright and happy" to be proof that she has managed to raise him succesfully without a father, is utterly ridiculous.

In 10 years time she will come across many issues that she will not have first hand experience of. It is at this time that so many single mothers simply lose control of their sons, which is bad for everyone.

"Becuase, of course... EVERY single parent is reliant on the government...
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If a single parent can succesfully raise a child, without reliance on the state, then I haven't got a problem with them, at all.

Because, Doris, what they are actually saying is that they'd rather women stayed in unhappy or abusive relationships where the man is still providing the roof over their head, no matter what other damage is being caused, than they would help like to help a mother who has left a relationship by providing tax credits etc. It's not always about the goverment buying you a house - it's support as in top-up rather than support as in 'totally fund', quite often.

For every messed up young man who grew up without a father in the home, I'd be willing to bet there's a few messed up young men who grew up watching his parents' abusive relationship played out day after day. Do you really want to make it so that a woman in that position could not leave?

You haven't answered. How old are your DC, TD. How do you know they're not going to do something horrendous tomorrow? I assume you aren't a single parent, therefore, are exempt from any potential unwanted behaviour from your DC?

My children (I don't have "DCs") are 12 and 15. I don't know that they aren't going to do something horrendous tomorrow. If they do do something horrendous I will admit full responsibilty for having failed as a parent.

Unhappy relationships? Yes. Abusive relationships? No.

I think far too many women are too quick to break up their families over the slightest bit of conflict with their husbands. It's wrong, and damaging to children IMO.

sAf, I've seen her name before, she hasn't joined for this thread. As much as I'd like to paint her asn individual who lives under bridges waiting for goats...

oh every single one is on benefits and gets a free house, car and satellite tv don't you know peanut? they are the downfall of this country and everything that is evil about modern society. these demonic single mothers ruining the world with their little whims Wait... what? So, there's no need for me to take my degree, juggling university and family life, and better myself for a good career. Something that's already inspiring my DS (he's often telling his keyworker at nursery that he wants to go to "yoo-knee" when he's a big boy, to learn numbers. He's bright, and has been labelled as "advanced" for his age. But, y'know. Single mum, shouldn't bother. He'll be in juvie by the time he's 8, and I'll be sat at home, "sponging" off the gov't.

Interesting tibit for you. 57% of lone parents work. I'm not sure on the stats for a % in education. So why do we believe the majority are reliant on the gov't?

Do you think it's good for all concerned then, to stay in an unhappy relationship? And do you think when unhappy relationships break down, that is usually at the woman's instigation? Statistics, please?

I imagine a lot of the 57% are still reliant on the government in some way.

Plenty of kids aren't suited for "uni" and would be better off learning a trade. Do you have any contacts in order to get him an apprenticeship if that is what he chooses to do? Or are you just going to shunt him off to "uni" along with everyone else?

Oh Doris, you are priceless.

You can't have it all ways round, you know!

Waiiiit, what? So, an income, and we'd still be fllamed for sponging off the gov't? (a small amount of IS, LHA, CTC, WTC and CB at the most)...

And yes, plenty of kids aren't suited for university. But he's got his hopes, and if that's what he wants to do, and can do, then why not? And no. I don't have "contacts" to get him an apprenticeship. Do you suppose that's essential, seeing as he's a product of a single parent, he won't be capable of a degree, y'know?