How miserable are you that the Tories are in power?

[sundayrose10]

I feel tense and twitchy. I used to enjoy reading the politic section/ other political forums, but I fear if I keep on going there and reading more and more about Tory plans, I will give myself a heart attack.

I loath them but worst I fear them. I am anxious for this country and the ordinary man and woman.

Dave makes me feel insane with hatred.

I have a colleague who is in love with the Tories. I don't share biscuits with him any more.

Dave makes me itch. All over.

'the majority did support Thatcher and voted her in again and again.' (Claig)

The majority did not vote her in claig. (Curry)

1979: 43.9% of the vote
1983: 42.4%
1987: 42.2%

(Claig's figures)

It's telling Curry, that your only point is one of semantics over an ambiguous turn of phrase. Do yuo have anything useful to contribute? If so, please share.

Assuming Claig's figures are correct, that is a stonking victory, the lieks of which politicians these days could only dream of.

Sorry but i blame Thatcher for the housing crisis. The right to buy scheme was a huge mistake IMO.

They won't lose their money. They'll ask you to bail them out.

Labour had 13 years to build more houses! It was their fault because they wanted to create an artificial house price boom to give people the impression they were doing well.

Claig, feel free to try and denigrate the Guardian but you should be thanking them for having the tenacity and strength of character necessary to continue plugging away at the phone hacking scandal in the face of total indifference from the political establishment, the police and the media with the exception of News International who confronted them with outright hostility and legal threats.

That said, it's probably easier to bury your head in that comic you read instead and reinforcing what appears to be an extremely severe case of cognitive lock.

JS Mill was a liberal/utilitarian ( and a bit of a feminist ) if it's the Mill I think you're talking about.

'you're coming across as a bit of a knob.'

Possibly so, but surely that's better than coming across as a complete knob, Curry.

Chen23 - the Guardian did a brilliant job on the phone hacking thing. But apart from that, what else has it done in recent years? Seriously, it is like a student rag, full of pointless pontificating from woolly liberals who are very good at telling us what the problem is but who go distinctly quiet when it comes to offering solutions.

'Claig, feel free to try and denigrate the Guardian but you should be thanking them for having the tenacity and strength of character necessary to continue plugging away at the phone hacking scandal in the face of total indifference from the political establishment, the police and the media with the exception of News International who confronted them with outright hostility and legal threats.'

I agree, the Guardian was good over this. The question is where were the politicians and why were they there?

"Assuming Claig's figures are correct, that is a stonking victory, the lieks of which politicians these days could only dream of."

Today's Yougov poll (in conjunction with the Sunday Times)

YouGov/Sunday Times ? CON 35, LAB 44, LDEM 8

Moondog here's how I see it

Claig said "the majority did support Thatcher and voted her in again and again".

I fail to see what is ambiguous about that. It seems pretty clear to me

I pointed out that the majority did not vote her in. And backed up my point with facts

I fail to see why me, presenting my argument with facts and statistics is not constructive, whereas Claig's random and inaccurate claims are

And those aren't claig's figures. They are mine. And accurate too.

Oh, come on Chen23 - the party in power is always behind in the polls between elections and you know it. Totally irrelevant.

'That said, it's probably easier to bury your head in that comic you read'

I've only ever read the Guardian once and I was not amused.

"I've only ever read the Guardian once and I was not amused."

I can well imagine you found the the lack of up skirt pictures of Katie Price falling out of a night club a bit disappointing.

Before you start banging on about me being some kind of bleeding heart Guardianista I don't actually read the Guardian that often, unless there's a copy lying round in the office.

I generally read the Independent on the way into work and the Times or Evening Standard on the way home and get most of my news on the net.

'and get most of my news on the net'

guardian.co.uk ?

Thefalcoln - labour reduced the discount available making it more difficult to buy a house.

There are 50,000 new houses being built in my borough. I dont know who stated it though. It may have started under Laour i dont know. The first 20 that have been built in the town started before Cameron was in power.

Sorry 2,700 new homes in my town.

And moondog, "a stonking victory, the lieks of which politicians these days could only dream of". I refer you to 1997, the biggest landslide victory since 1945 (also Labour)

Although admittedly, still with a minority of votes. No party has ever got more than 50% of the votes cast although the tories came very close in 1955 and Labour in 1951 when they won 48.8%of the vote and lost

1997 was fourteen years ago.
Worth adding to your quiverful of facts and statistics, Curry

I'm all for facts and statistics,myself.

"I'm all for facts and statistics,myself."

How about Maggie having the second worst average approval ratings of any post war prime minister during her tenure, dipping as low as 23%?

Yes, but that was understandable, because she implemented a policy that put millions out of work in a bid to bring down inflation and in order to weaken the unions. She implemented radical change and therefore did get a lot of opposition in the early stages of her Premiership.

Chen, that's fine by me.
I encourage a healthy cynicism about all politicians and would encourage you to do the same.
Only a dullard would assume one person gets it right all the time.

Labour cause cancer. It was in the Daily Mail.

Since you're all for facts, chen perhaps you might acknowledge that the electoral statistics were mine, not claigs's

And I'm sorry if my quiverful of statistics annoys you or you find them inconvenient. I happen to have studied British electoral history of the 20th century and wrote my thesis on it so maybe what interests me, bores you when it doesn't suit you