How miserable are you that the Tories are in power?

[sundayrose10]

I feel tense and twitchy. I used to enjoy reading the politic section/ other political forums, but I fear if I keep on going there and reading more and more about Tory plans, I will give myself a heart attack.

I loath them but worst I fear them. I am anxious for this country and the ordinary man and woman.

Dave makes me feel insane with hatred.

I have a colleague who is in love with the Tories. I don't share biscuits with him any more.

Dave makes me itch. All over.

Claig: so are you confirming that Maggie deliberately put millions out of work in order to bring down inflation?

Thatcher apologists have denied that for decades*.

And her approval ratings were relatively low throughout her premiership, apart from her Falklands war induced upward spike.

The Tories also enjoyed a particularly weak opposition during most of that period, as did NuLabour after her and Major (and have continued to do so ever since; Cameron couldn't even get a majority against the disaster that was Gordon Brown's administration)

• although this ex advisor to Maggie didn't :

On the contrary Curry.I find your views and statistics very interesting.That's why I am here. I don't spend all my time sipping Pimms with men in boaters.
(Only some if it.)

Oh! In that case I'm not sure why you seem so irritated by them then?

Oh, well, you can prove anything with facts, can't you?

"I encourage a healthy cynicism about all politicians and would encourage you to do the same."

I've done nothing but that throughout this thread; I said the NuLabour experiment turned into a disaster and that they needed to be driven out of power (I voted against them at the last election) and that I am incredibly cynical about the coalition also.

"Since you're all for facts, chen perhaps you might acknowledge that the electoral statistics were mine, not claigs's"

curryspice, I'm assuming you didn't mean to aim your last post at me; reread the last few posts.

No Chen - it was aimed at Moondog

'so are you confirming that Maggie deliberately put millions out of work in order to bring down inflation?'

Yes, I think so.
That's politics, that's how things work. The country was in a desperate state and the unions were holding business to ransom. Thatcher's advisers had a strategy to put an end to it and to liberate the country from the grip of socialism. That is why she had to implement harsh measures. Once they had resolved the problem of excess union power, they eased up their policies.

Just as advisers have decided what cuts need to implement now in order to get the country out of the mess that the socialists landed us in. They are also carrying out a policy of reducing the rights of people (exactly the same policy that Labour would also have pursued, which is why Miliband told the teachers and others that striking was not teh right tactic) by reducing their pensions and making them work longer. That's the way of the world, these things are decided on high and are implemented on the public, and there is often a consensus between all of the parties (which is why see Labour's Lord Hutton being influential in the pension policy and why Harriet Harman was pushing through the plans to raise teh pensionable age).

I'm not irritated by them.
You are the one hurling insults about.

Chen, are you willing to say who you voted for?
I was down at the polling station as soon as the doors opened and voted Conservative.

and so do the majority of citizens in the country of England. We kicked the socialists out from Land's End to Timbuktu.

"Just as advisers have decided what cuts need to implement now in order to get the country out of the mess that the socialists landed us in."

Nulabour were a fair way away from being socialists. And yes we ended up in a mess on their watch but (for the millionth time) Tories seem to have forgotten that right up until the credit crunch Gideon Osborne and crew were committed to matching NuLabours profligate spending, in fact they were committed to spending more* on the NHS.

You can hear it direct from the towel folding twat here:

As well as further bank deregulation......

• Socialists are typically portrayed in favour of protectionism and restricting free trade, nationalisation and state intervention. Sound like anyone we know?

"Chen, are you willing to say who you voted for?"

I voted for a Lib Dem candidate as he was the only chance to unseat my local Labour MP.

"and so do the majority of citizens in the country of England. We kicked the socialists out from Land's End to Timbuktu"

I presume you mean "did", in which case you're using the kind of logic that makes it reasonable to say the majority didn't vote for Maggie; which, unless I'm missing something, is the opposite of what you were banging on about.

36% voted Tory, which means nearly two thirds couldn't bring themselves to vote for call me Dave.

The spending was not the major problem. It was being asleep at the wheel, tripartite regulation of banking, and letting teh bankers make hay that caused the collapse in confidence and led to the recession.

Osborne was against tripartite regulation, and wanted to place regulation back under the control of the Bank of England.

'Socialists are typically portrayed in favour of protectionism and restricting free trade, nationalisation and state intervention. Sound like anyone we know?'

Charles De Gaulle? He of the rightwing French Gaullist party.
Socialists are not wrong on everything, just most things.
The Marxist analysis of Thatcher's economic policy was correct. They and she both knew why she was implementing it.

'36% voted Tory'
is that the figure for England?

Except all the idiots who voted Lib Dem, who basically were voting for Dave, and should have known it!

The media sucked the 'idiots' in. They all boosted Claig up. The Guardian even 'enthusiastically' backed Claig and ditched Brown. The Daily Mail was one of the few voices that said 'the emperor had no clothes'.

moondog eh?

I said claig was coming across as a bit of a knob. She said I was a total knob. Honours even I'd say. What's your beef?

sorry Clegg not Claig.
I will have to change my name, it is too similar to Clegg.

CurrySpice, I only said that because you started it. We may disagree with each other's views, but there is no need to start insulting each other.

Claig - why do you keep saying the majority vote Tory. The majority do not vote tory

The vast majority of Englaish voters did not vote Conservative in 2010 since they won 39.5% of the English vote

You seem to have a very vague grasp of what majority means!!

• English

It is shorthand for the largest percentage of voters who voted for a particular party, voted for the Tory party.
Let me know if there is a more succint way of saying it.

It is the party that got the greatest support fromn the nation of England, that is what I mean.

Shorthand? Deliberate misconstruction, more like.

"The spending was not the major problem. It was being asleep at the wheel, tripartite regulation of banking, and letting teh bankers make hay that caused the collapse in confidence and led to the recession."

Yes, because Tories are huge supporters of banking regulations aren't they?

The Vulcan Redwood created a white paper, fully endorsed by Osborne and Dave which stated that there was no need to regulate mortgages because the lender, not the customer, takes the risk. [hmm}

This was in 2007, just around the time the mortgage markets started to implode and the housing market collapsed after too much easy money was given out by under regulated banks who then needed tax payer support to bail them out.