Health Tourism - woman has 5 babies on the NHS

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AIBU to think that this woman is taking the bloody piss?

www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3673011/Nigerian-mum-Bimbo-Ayelabola-flew-into-Britain-and-had-quins-on-the-NHS.html

I very much doubt she will be sent back. Who is paying her legal fees is what I would like to know?

Are we a soft touch or just a lovely compassionate country with enough resources for all?

I get a bit sick of 'the lazy English' frame of mind, who the hell mined and farmed and fought wars in this country.

My GM went through extreme poverty in the thirties, thw working class were dying in childbirth and burying their DC's, so don't be quick to put down the working class. We have developed the social policy system that we have to thank people for the contribution they have made (and so we would have working class cannon fodder).

The 'priviledges' that the working class have have been fought for and not given on a plate. It is just that other countries need to catch up, we are doing them no favours by allowing them to come to the UK and not help to sort out their problems at home.

Well, of course. There are lazy and hard-working people from everywhere. Not every immigrant to this country is someone who works from dawn till dusk every day paying taxes. By the same token, many British people who are out of work are not lazy, feckless workshy losers.

What is working class though? Are they people that work. In that case I am one. Or does it mean someone who earns less than xxxx I just know I would rather help someone who is trying to help themselves, their earnings are low but they are contributing. I do not want to help an irresponsible woman who knowingly took fertility drugs, who came to the UK to take what she could. I stopped at 2 children because we couldnt afford to have more and keep the lifestyle we wanted. What on earth was she thinking. She must be laughing her socks off at us.

I have watched programmes on all countries and we could pick them apart on work ethic, and parental responsibilities. Other countries still burn and torture children because they are possed or witches. I could go on to womens rights.

I don't think it's the desperate or the hungry who leave for other places. They simply can't. It's always those who could get together a little money for the trip and who have some contact or hope or a job (training or education) who leave. Even during the Irish Famine, ability to pay your passage determined who left. People in the poorhouses stayed.

Rocky- although i an in agreement with you, i think that she just wanted to be a mum, there are others coming in, in desperation, you cannot blame them but we cannot allow it to happen.

'I don't think it's the desperate or the hungry who leave for other places. They simply can't. It's always those who could get together a little money for the trip and who have some contact or hope or a job (training or education) who leave.'

Plenty turn to organised criminal gangs for such passage, that's why there is such a problem with people trafficking and that problem is growing.

There was a caes of a man who had prostituted his DD's all under 13 to raise the money to leave (this was discovered by a charity working in the area). A recent child brothel with romany children in it, had bought the children from their parents coming to the UK, so it is sometimes the ruthless who manage to leave

birdsgottafly you talk alot of sense. There was great poverty in GB for the working classes.

Surely they see this work as beneath them because they can get the same money without working? Why else would they?

this is so wrong. The Nigerian government needs to be billed. If Britain allows this to happen then it is going to be keep on occuring. I don't want my taxes to be used to fund this women. She is dishonest and I am sure she is not the only person abusing our health service in this way.

If I go abroad I take out travel insurance. Perhaps she should not have been granted a visa without having this.

I would far rather the NHS used the money for the elderly who are having a rotten old time in hospitals.

Perhaps the fact that they carn't actually live on the wages and house themselves, also puts them at a disadvantage. If we could work somewhere for six monrhs to get on the housing ladder, most would do it, but it doesn't quite work like that if you are UK born. If you live in a HA house you cannot leave it empty to work away.

Also it has been proven that firms are happy to take on non UK staff because they do not have to give then the same rights. I was reading the statisics for job applications and in most cases at least twenty UK citizens had applied, most with better skills, but the same propaganda is spouted about 'the English' see work as beneath them. We must have an awful lot of non uk born people working then, because who is running the care homes and social care, to name some min wage jobs.

My DP is a manger of a warehouse and had numerous people beg him for work but the company said that it had sorted its staffing problems. They bought in EU nationals, none could speak English or had H & S training, they also paid for interpriters but it still made the working environment dangerous, but the firm had been paid a subsidy by the government to take them on. Some worked there for just over a year then left to claim benefits and other rights such as maternity leave, there was numerous accidents, they never bothered to learn the language, not every immigrant does.

They now staff the place with agency workers, again who have no rights, it isn't about the best people for the job.

A few weeks ago at work a fund raiser email came round about a little boy who needed pioneering surgery in the USA that is not available on the NHS. His paretns are remortgaging their home and desperately trying to raise the money to pay for it. It would never cross their minds to dump themselves on the doorstep of a US hospital and expect it to be provided free.

Yet people here seem to think it accpetable to do exactly that to us. IT's the NHS meaning a NATIONAL Health Service. It isn't the IHS or International Health Service.

I don't know why it is so difficult for the NHS to check peoples entitlement before providing care and refusing to provide it.

I have an American freind whom I met at Uni here. She has gone back and is married with 2 children. I stayed with her there last year. Her eldest DD who was 9 at the time injured her wrist playing baseball and thought she had fractured it. My friedn decided to take her straight from the field to the nearest hospital. I went with them of course as she may need someone to watch her younger DD while at the hospital. The first thing the staff ask is does your DD have insurance. She had full coverage and yet the hospital turned her away as her insurance did not cover treatment at that hopsital, she had to go to another one as her family Dr was based there. That 9 yo girl was crying in pain by that point and they still turned her away, one of their own citizens who had full insurance. My friend had to drive us all some distance to the other hospital to get treatment. I asked after her once I had retruned to the UK and my friend told me that they sent her hospital bills even though she has insurance.

The US hospital had no qualms about turning away a 9 yo child whose insurance didn't cover what she was there for. I'm not saying that is right, i think it's deplorable. But why in this country do we sympathise with a 33 yo woman with no right to be here and who has never and will never pay for the care she has recieved? If you're all so supportive of her, perhaps you'd like her in your town when in 5 years time her DC's will be taking up 5 places in a primary school you may not be able to get your own children into.

In this country people should be asked first and foremost if they have an NHS card and if not be asked to show proof of entitlement. If they don't have it, ass kicked out of the door.

Maybe there's a sort of unofficial system - willing to work as slave labour for a few months not for the job itself but for what comes after the job - the rights to benefts, care, housing, whatever. I don't know the rules and may be talking out of my hat though.

Just out of interest do you think we should stop people coming from other countries to have their co-joined twins operated on aswell ? There are more people having multiple births in the UK , is it not excellent experience for the medics/midwifes to deal with a large multiple birth ,will the experience not help other tax paying uk citizens in the future ?
Another who would like exact stats on how much health tourism cost the NHS ?

'Just out of interest do you think we should stop people coming from other countries to have their co-joined twins operated on aswell ? '

When people come to the UK they have to have a visa or be from a visa-waiver or EU/EEA nation. People who come here for surgery they cannot obtain in their home country often do so with a charity picking up the tab for it, but they have to still get a visa for the purpose of their visit.

This person abused the visitor visa system in order to obtain free medical treatment.

In the case of co-joined twins the consultants work for free, the money is usually sourced via donations for the care, the nurses also acompany them for free, i know health care workers who do this. It's the same when doctors work in third world countries for free (as do others, teachers , midwifes etc).

In the case of this woman, it was the cost of interpriters and social workers as well as support workers, it doesn't just cost the NHS. These are areas were services are overstretched anyway. While people on here don't mind the children who are 'in need' and now don't reach the radar of SS because there are another six people on the 'at risk' radar, probably mind.

If you mean the Maltese conjoined twins a few years ago, Malta has a reciprocal agreement with the UK. Nigeria does not.

bumpsoon well that seems a bit irrelevant

this whole thing is making me a bit cross now, the issue I mean, not the people on the thread

How many working class people in this country would have the energy or the enterprise to make a life for themselves in a foreign country? How many ordinary English people could learn enough of a foreign language to get by from day to day, let alone hold down a job?

spudulika I am assuming you are not working class. Your head must be so far up your own arse, I am surprised you can still breathe. If you dislike the English so much and are happy for people from other countries to come over shit all over us, and use resources that should be used for our own people - why the hell are you here? Why not go over to Nigeria and help all the poor people there to satisfy your bleeding heart - make sure you get travel insurance though won't you.

cat1976 your outrage at ordinary citizens questioning where our tax money is going is hilarious!

The working classes are paying for this woman's treatment. Don't knock 'em.

A1980, that's a very good point. Many countries these days have reciprocal agreements. I know the US has one with the UK, which was why I was allowed emergency NHS treatment not long after I immigrated. I'm not sure if it means that they will treat each other citizens as they do heir own or if the country of origin picks up the bill though. If it is the latter, then things can get even more complicated when considering these things.

I hate Labour. That last government deliberately made everyone feel guilty in a very counter-productive way about this sort of issue. Just lumping together all Africans as "poor and desperate" for example.

Aye,and the lazy assumption that 'Africa' is actually a country.
I had a teacher tell me quite straight faced that her class were going to be dressing in 'African' clothes and doing 'African' dancing.
No other discrimination was offered.