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Advice on going on holiday with sis and niece over eating issues

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pingu2209 · 28/06/2011 17:01

I have typed a few subject headings but they all seemed quite explosive and I want advice rather than being shouted down, so I opted for a plain subject with detail in the message! I was the OP who started the fussy eating thread, so those of you who have read/taken part in that you may now understand why I started it.

My niece is 13 and an increadibly fussy eater. For the first 4-5 years she would eat anything, she was a human dustbin. However, over the past 8 years she has become more and more fussy over food. My sister and brother in law do not see it, I believe it is because they have adapted how they eat over the years so they end up only buying what she likes etc. But it drives the rest of the family mad as we end up selecting where and what we all eat based on purely her fussiness.

I have eaten with my sister and niece a lot, for Sunday roasts and bbqs etc. My husband and children think it is extremely unfair that my niece (their cousin) gets a huge portion of meat (because that is literally all she will eat) and they get a small portion with veg and potatoes. However, we put up with it because it is normally just one day.

When we get together my neice will eat secretly away from my children so that they don't get any of whatever she is eating - normally this is a whole tube of Pringles, or Jaffa Cakes or those yoghurty pudding things by Cadburies. I don't mind her doing this as I actually don't want them eating all that junk around meal times and they would nag for it if they saw their cousin eating it. However, when she comes to my house she often ends up eating far more than her fair share of the junk food, which has not gone unnoticed by my husband, children or myself. Once she ate 4 Screwball icecreams in one sitting - but they were supposed to be 1 each (1 for her and 1 each for my children).

For the first time ever I am going abroad on a self catering holiday with my father and step mother, brother and wife and son, sister and husband and daughter and my husband and children. There will be a lot of us!

In order to share the work load my sister has asked that there is a jobs rota. She has asked that she does the cooking and others do the cleaning etc. I asked to share all the jobs especially the cooking because I enjoy cooking (as does she, sister in law and step mother). My sister asked me what I would cook. I said I don't know but it is unlikely to be hot meals as it will be warm weather so it is most likely to be platters of food such as tomatoes, cucumber, lettuce, cheeses, ham, pate, freshly cut bread, dips, crudite etc.

My sister has said that her daughter won't eat that and she really only eats roast meat or pasta with Ragu sauce. Therefore, she would rather cook so that her daughter can eat with the family without there being any issues around the table with the family making comment over what her daughter eats (my sister is correct, we will all make comment over my niece's attitude to food). My sister said she would cook roast meats and pasta as this is pretty much all her daughter eats.

I said to my sister I wasn't happy with the cooking arrangement and if we shared the cooking, on the days she cooked her daughter could join in the family meal, but if she didn't like what was on offer from her step grandmother or aunties, then she could have pasta boiled up for her with some Ragu sauce poured over it.

To be frank, i don't want roast meat or pasta every day of the holiday!

I have not yet said this, but I would also like to ensure that all the children (and adults) get their fair share of the things like biscuits, ice cream, crisps etc. I want to suggest that when we buy something like biscuits or crisps etc, that the person who has opened them does not hoof down the lot of them. I can picture the scenario, 1/2 hour before lunch my niece opens the crisps (because my sister will let her) and she offers them to my children and everyone else. I will say no my children can't have any as we are soon to eat a meal. So she will then eat the lot, not saving my children's fair share.

Am I being unreasonable? Over controlling?

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RoseC · 28/06/2011 17:28

The only way around the junk food that springs to mind is to buy multibags that have pre-wrapped packets inside them and divide them up into boxes. If your DC are of a reasoning age tell them you're going to use them as an excuse and then announce that you want to monitor your DC's intake so their share goes in their box that they can open at approved snack times. If they are as fed up with their cousin as your OP sounds then they may go for it.

RoseC · 28/06/2011 17:29

And YANBU at all. I can't believe your niece makes her mother go to all that extra effort roasting meat.

stubbornhubby · 28/06/2011 17:31

don't go on holday with them!

shouldbeelswhere · 28/06/2011 17:33

It sounds like a nightmare in the making. I'd try to discuss it and get it all sorted before you go or you'll all end up miserable.

ScarletOHaHa · 28/06/2011 17:34

If is as hot as it was yesterday, it would be unreasonable for someone to have on oven on for hours roasting meat.

Take your own treats and leave them in your room. Take extra for your niece if you are feeling magnanimous

stleger · 28/06/2011 17:35

Can't you have a self service buffet set up - like a carvery! Your sister can do the roast whatever and pasta, the rest of you can do the dips, paella etc. And the uneaten roast can become tomorrow's lunch?

Tsil · 28/06/2011 17:37

I'm sorry you both sound a bit U.

Your sister for wanting everyone to eat plain pasta and ragu for a whole week/2weeks to pander to a 13 year old and you for being bothered that your kids won't get their fair share of junk food. You can solve that problem easily. You can ask her not to eat all the crisps/biscuits whatever as they need to last the whole holiday and there are others to share or you can buy your own for your children if you don't want the confrontation.

Personally I would tell her to stop, it will be a communal home for the duration and as an adult and her aunt she should adhere do as asked especially as it isn't unreasonable. It sounds like you all pander to her to a degree and she will not change unless someone challenges her. Eating that much junk food isn't good for you at all, and I should know it's all I lived on for years and I wish now that my parents or someone would have told me to stop and eat properly years ago.

anniekins · 28/06/2011 17:38

If your father is aware of her snacking habit, maybe he'll be buying so much junk food, there will be enough for her to overeat and still plenty left over for the rest of you.

I'd definitely give her her own snack cupboard so she can help herself but not touch the rest and agree she does this out of sight of your kids if it's just before mealtimes.

I'm not surprised you don't want to eat roast and pasta for your entire holiday, but on the night I was cooking, I'd concede and make her a bowl of pasta and slop some Ragu over to keep her happy and I would get all adults to agree that it's taboo on the holiday, to mention her limited food choice. That might ease the tension at the table. It's also only fair that the cooking is shared out evenly by those that want to do it.

Whatever you decide, you need to make agreements before you go on holiday otherwise you could spend your entire holiday seething at best, or constantly arguing.

I hope you do get to have a happy holiday.

talkingnonsense · 28/06/2011 17:38

On the first day, go to the cupboard and loudly say " lets all have some yummy pringles with our wine, we are on holiday...oh no! Where have they gone! Surely no-one would eat a whole packet without sharing? Sis have you seen them? Where could they be?" etc etc etc, so it is quite clear that junk is for sharing for the rest of the holiday!

myBOYSareBONKERS · 28/06/2011 17:39

when the junk food/treats come out if it is not an appropriate time for your children to have them why don't you take their share out saying "sorry DC you can have these at ..... time". Then at least you have their share at a later time.

If your niece then goes and takes them - for example the named ice lolly in the freezer and it is clear that they are your children's food then you MUST speak up. I say "named" as you will have to write your children's name on each treat just so you don't get muddled between your own children Wink

TickTockPillow · 28/06/2011 17:40

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scarlettsmummy2 · 28/06/2011 17:40

i certainly would not tolerate your niece not sharing with all the other children. I think I would probably go through her- what come back can your sister possibly have? There is no way to justify it and perhaps it is exactly what your niece and sister need to hear. I also would think that no one else in your family would criticise you for telling her off.

TickTockPillow · 28/06/2011 17:44

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faintpositive · 28/06/2011 17:51

If this were me, on holiday with a child like this i would spend the whole time feeling irritated and pissed off....therefore it would ruin the holiday for me.

You either shut up and put up, make a point of saying absolutely nothing, keeping your opinions to yourself...or as another poster suggested, take stickers with names on for stuff.
OR
Dont go.
Becuase if you say anything to your sister, you ARE going to upset her and fall out wth her and that would be just awful.

Sorry i have no other advice, this is going to be a very difficult time for you so sympathies, i totally see why you are fed up before you go and how annoyed you are going to get, but you are not going to win i dont think.
sorry & the best of luck x

mamaGool · 28/06/2011 17:53

I don't think you're being generally unreasonable, but I do think you could find a compromise if you try. For example, you didn't have to make a big deal about the paella needing seafood. A veggie paella would be neither pasta nor a roast & if DN was willing to try it, then she could eat with the whole family for that meal. If you really feel strongly about the seafood, DN's portion could just be taken out a little early before the prawns, clams etc get added (they take no time to cook do they?) - that way it would still feel like you're all having the same meal & she would feel included.

Good luck, it sounds stressful for all of you...

plainwhitet · 28/06/2011 17:53

some excellent suggestions here.
i go on holiday with my sister and her twin ds; the boys eat completely differently from my two girls. we either do the kids meal thing/adults later; or just make a variety of things for any one meal and people pick what they want. One of my nephews eats incredibly slowly and really only likes dry meat so it is important he has plenty of it - while I would not care if I had no meat for a week. This works for us and no one makes any remarks. I would definitely go for the separate named snacks, and would remove your kids snack packs from view when it is not their snack time. I'd even go to the trouble of taking named tupperwares with me on the holiday if I felt as strongly as you do. This girl sounds very difficult and why should the rest of you suffer? In fact I am really with ticktock and her advice.

GreenEyesandHam · 28/06/2011 18:03

I don't know if labelling food up with names isn't going a bit far...

What's wrong with saying 'leave some for the rest of us, they're for everybody'

SarkySpanner · 28/06/2011 18:05

I would stand your ground on the main meals. Take it in turns to cook and your niece has something different as necessary.

But I would not make a big deal over snacks. If she eats something you think your kids were 'entitled' to then just buy replacements and give straight to your dc.

deliakate · 28/06/2011 18:05

I don't really get the whole thing about rationing the junk food. Sounds so bizzare.....

FabbyChic · 28/06/2011 18:10

DO NOT LET IT GO. Your neice is a pig, allowing her to eat four screwballs when she was supposed to have one is pandering to her.

All treats are to be shared equally and you have to say that too, alternatively take some treats for your own kids in your suitcase, so that when the greedy fucker has eaten them all your kids have some of their own and if she or your sister say anything you say had to bring my kids some as your kid eats everybodies.

worraliberty · 28/06/2011 18:13

Well I agree with squeakytoy...she's old enough to boil her own pasta if she's too fussy to eat anything else.

SarkySpanner · 28/06/2011 18:16

But most importantly...

It is clear that your niece has huge issues, but a family holiday is NOT the place to 'fix' her :(

pingu2209 · 28/06/2011 18:17

So if there was a table of food with a plate of ham, a plate of cheeses, olives, bread sticks, dips, bread and salad and 13 people to eat it. How would you feel if 1 person ate at least 3/4 of the plate of ham and there wasn't enough left for the remaining 12 people to have ham? Before you say anything, my father will not buy shed loads of ham because he will not pander to his grand daughters weired food habbits.

Re the sharing out of treats, it will be difficult to do that without first explaining why. I know my sister will be really pissed off if I say it is because her daughter hoggs more than her fair share of the treats.

I also have a feeling my sister will expect her daughter to be allowed more of the treats because she hasn't eaten the meal. Certainly this is her view when it comes to meals, her daughter is allowed more than her fair share of the things she likes.

It really really really annoys my husband.

I may bring along 5 tupperwear boxes and name them with my children, my nephew and my niece's name. Then when the treats are bought - some are for sharing for the adults only. The rest are shared and put in the boxes. Once my niece has eaten her share then she can't have any more!

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neolara · 28/06/2011 18:18

I recently went on a big family holiday. I was the only vegetarian, the others can't go for one meal without meat. On a logistical level, it's very easy to manage one person doing things differently while still being part of the family meal. When they had pasta with seafood, I had pasta with tomato sauce etc. We all ate at the same time. One evening we all ate the same thing. They made meat dishes, I added salads / veggie dishes to accompany that we all shared. I think it would be perfectly possible to do this with your dn.

I wouldn't want to be a slave to a 13 year old girls fussy eating, but on the other hand, it's her holiday too and she probably wants to eat food she likes. It should be perfectly possible to reach a compromise.