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to understand why some people have a problem with abortion?

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LolaRennt · 12/06/2011 15:56

I am pro choice first of all, just to get that out of the way.

But what confuses me is that on many threads I have seen if someone in a tiny voice dares to admit that they might have a an anti abortion view they get jumped on pretty quickly.

But surely if someone belives from a purely emotion point that abortion is the ending of a life you can't change that view simply by calling them a woman hater or abusing them? I can understand how pro choice people don't see abortion as a feminst issue or a human rights issue at all and can't get past the view that it is just ending a life.

I am a vegan and I don't wear leather or fur. I see it as murder. I know other people do it (even my friends, husband and family) but for me it will always be murder. Its a purely emotional view that go against what the vast majority of the western world see as normal. But there is nothing any of you could ever say that would make me change my mind. So maybe I can empathise better than some?

My belief is that women need safe access to abortion, no one likes the idea of abortion butit needs to be avalaible because the alternatives would be devastating. Wouldn't it make sense to approach it from that point of view to someone who is anti abortion? Accept that the idea maybe abhorent (and that they arent wrong for feeling that way) but it is a basic human right to not be forced to pregnant and that for many reasons it is the best choice for the woman?

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differentnameforthis · 14/06/2011 16:41

QM..once again, being obtuse! But this is one of the things I would have needed help with.

countless pro-abortion feminist nutcases who are taking it in turn to twist and manipulate Queenmary's comments

Just as QM is doing, you mean?

FreudianSlipper · 14/06/2011 16:43

i do not beleive in god so why would gods plan for myself and child mean anything to me that is not practical help that is religious lecturing

flippinada · 14/06/2011 16:47

You won't get an answer 5DollarShake - because in pro-life world you don't have to worry about stuff like that.

You are RIGHT and thats all you need to know.

Just shout at anyone who doesn't agree with you and ignore any questions you don't like.

That's the way to convince 'em.

differentnameforthis · 14/06/2011 16:47

Interesting that you only post on termination threads, QM.

And have failed to reply to my comments about you being against termination, but are for risking 2 lives in your 'deliver it early & let it take it's chances" comment when asked to answer if a woman should go ahead with a pregnancy that is killing her.

You work in SCBU, are a midwife, yet you advocate inducing a pregnancy at 23 weeks & letting it 'takes it chances'.

I find it hard to believe that ANY medical provider would think that a reasonable course of action.

winnybella · 14/06/2011 16:47

Yes, do you actually believe that BS on the Good Council's website re risk of termination?

differentnameforthis · 14/06/2011 16:49

FreudianSlipper

Something to do with buying you nappies & becoming your next best friend, who will hold your hair while you throw up.

If only....

5DollarShake · 14/06/2011 16:51

Yes, the ignoring the difficult questions does seem to be a re-ocurringly used tool.

queenmary - do you, as a healthcare professional, admit to scare-mongering and untruths in page 32's post?

differentnameforthis · 14/06/2011 16:51

QM will avoid anything that she can't answer...

Like why is it OK to risk 2 lives through a 'deliver at 23 weeks, then wait & see what happens' approach to a pregnancy that is killing the woman.

Rather than terminate & risk nothing.

Or maybe, risking nothing is too boring.

valiumredhead · 14/06/2011 16:52

You work in SCBU, are a midwife, yet you advocate inducing a pregnancy at 23 weeks & letting it 'takes it chances'.
I find it hard to believe that ANY medical provider would think that a reasonable course of action

I agree.

winnybella · 14/06/2011 16:53

I don't think we'll get an answer to that, 5DollarShake...

flippinada · 14/06/2011 16:54

I seriously doubt that queenmary is a midwife, to be honest.

5DollarShake · 14/06/2011 16:54

In that case, I'll ask again..

queenmary - do you, as a healthcare professional, admit to scare-mongering and untruths in page 32's post?

slug · 14/06/2011 16:55

Many 'prolifers' are only pro the foetuses life as far as I can see. I often wonder if the hidden agenda is "But the baby might be a boy!!!"

QM and her life are sprouting nasty anti woman propaganda with little, if any, basis in reality. You know what? I've had an abortion. It did me no harm at all. I suffered no traumatic consequences, nor did I suffer from 'frustrated maternal instinct' Hmm No one forced me into it, nor was the decision a difficult one. The only thing I felt afterwards was relief. The worst part of the whole experience was the religious lecture from my GP before refusing me an NHS abortion on the basis of his religion and the irritation of having to walk through a phalanx of placard waving protesters on my way into the clinic.

In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.

(Bob Dylan)

queenmarythegreat · 14/06/2011 16:55

As asked, I gave an example of who might provide such help.

Of course, if a woman seeks an abortion becuse her car isn't big enough, or she can't afford the school fees it's a whole different problem Biscuit.

To those of you that are insisting that I answer your questions. Although I am "prolific" this isn't my full time job.
I'm busy getting supper.

5DollarShake · 14/06/2011 16:55

I'd report her post, but God (in his/her many guises) knows that she and her supporters would kick up an unholy stink if the post with the links providing "support" was deleted.........

5DollarShake · 14/06/2011 16:58

So you've enough time to come back on here and say that you won't answer the question, but not enough time to confirm or deny that you were scaremongering.

Interesting.

differentnameforthis · 14/06/2011 16:58

And if they are offering their time and energy to women in crisis does it matter if it is "to Jesus through Mary

Well yes, I think it does.

I would be horrified if they started in on "it was God's plan that you have this baby" if I sought their guidance, because as I said, my God would know that I didn't want it & would know what my plans are.

And

Not everyone believes in God, Jesus & Mary and would find it offensive if they started to tell them that a mythical being/s (to them) had gifted them this baby, has chosen them to carry & raise this baby, to gift this child to the Lord & look after it every day.

They may as well tell me that Edward Cullen gifted me my (terminated) pregnancy, because to them it is just as ridiculous.

So, show me someone who will do all I asked & NOT bring religion into it.

flippinada · 14/06/2011 17:02

What isn't your full time job queenmary?

"if a woman seeks an abortion becuse her car isn't big enough, or she can't afford the school fees it's a whole different problem "

No-one seeks an abortion for those reasons, except maybe in your imagination.

differentnameforthis · 14/06/2011 17:04

Of course, if a woman seeks an abortion becuse her car isn't big enough, or she can't afford the school fees it's a whole different problem

Obtuse.

Once again....read my reasons. You have been on all the recent threads about termination that I have been on (won't be hard to find, as they are the only threads you go on) so look me up. Look for my reasons. But you won't, so I'll make it simple for you

Pre Eclampsia
SPD
Depression
Not wanting 3
Not wanting an unplanned baby (because I was one & it made me miserable beyong belief)
Rocky marriage after 2nd birth
C section x 2.
Baby only 5mths old
Physical trauma to my body after section #2, that is still present

ALL completely valid reasons.

Want me to go on?

And you know what, why should a woman have a baby she can't afford? So yeah, maybe needing a bigger car & having to pay school fees are a consideration.

differentnameforthis · 14/06/2011 17:06

flippinada

She has cherry picked them from a post I did earlier, asking if pregnancy crisis clinics offered that kind of help to women they persuade to go through with a pregnancy.

Empusa · 14/06/2011 17:08

"Many 'prolifers' are only pro the foetuses life as far as I can see."

That's my view too, at least for those who have already posted saying that if a woman's life was potentially in danger due to carrying a baby full term then they still should not have an abortion. The only concession being that they should carry it through the majority of the pregnancy and see what happens.

Somehow it appears one life is worth more than another..

flippinada · 14/06/2011 17:13

Yeah I read the same post differentname....I've noticed the cherry picking, plus the disappearing from a thread when asked awkward questions. I guess people will dray their own conclusions from that behaviour.

I agree that cost is a factor too (one among many of course). What if you can't provide for your baby?

bubbleymummy · 14/06/2011 17:13

QM did point out that she had to clean her kitchen so I think she's probably just had to get back to her real life commitments instead of going round in circles with you lot.

differentname - re pg 32 that is the most warped and twisted idea that I have ever come across. How could any Christian believe that their God would send them a life for them to terminate it? Your Christian upbringing must have been completely different to mine. I have never seen anyone try to justify an abortion on religious grounds - quite shocking really.

flippinada · 14/06/2011 17:15

I should say child rather than baby..they don't stay babies forever, obviously!

flippinada · 14/06/2011 17:16

Why are you assuming that differentname is a Christian, bubbleymummy?

It's not the only religion in the world.

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